Most effective defensive fighter in the game today

[catalinul]

Mayweather.

I don't think Klitschko is a defensive fighter at all.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Mayweather.

I don't think Klitschko is a defensive fighter at all.

He isnt.....

TS said guys who dominate USING defense. Wlad doesnt do that. He dominates with his size and jab. He isnt even a counter puncher.

[Carpe Diem]

How can anyone even make an argument about it?

[catalinul]

He isnt.....

TS said guys who dominate USING defense. Wlad doesnt do that. He dominates with his size and jab. He isnt even a counter puncher.

Yeah I agree.

I don't think his defense is that good really,certainly doesn't come into talks for this liost.

[Walt Liquor]

That doesnt mean he has better defense then Floyd.

That means he has the jab, size and power to win his fights. He doesnt do it by avoiding punches, slipping punches, countering, using reflexes etc...

Most of the time his opponents arent even throwing punches they juts look at him and take jabs to the face.

Mayweather has the best defesne in boxing and its not even really close. Calderon would be next in line.

Wlad uses his feet and his upper body (leaning back and to the side) to avoid punches. He also parrys punches better than anyone. Those are all d. That's big man d. He uses tools he has. No one his size would be able to do what Floyd or iron boy ban do. It's not possible. Wlad gets hit the leSt becuz of his footwork, dodging and parrying. All are parts of boxing d, are they not?

Physical statuture does not proclude a fighter from this conversation.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Wlad uses his feet and his upper body (leaning back and to the side) to avoid punches. He also parrys punches better than anyone. Those are all d. That's big man d. He uses tools he has. No one his size would be able to do what Floyd or iron boy ban do. It's not possible. Wlad gets hit the leSt becuz of his footwork, dodging and parrying. All are parts of boxing d, are they not?

Physical statuture does not proclude a fighter from this conversation.

Look at the bolded. You're right thats all part of Boxing defense. Now ask yourself does he do ANY of that better then Mayweather?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Yeah I agree.

I don't think his defense is that good really,certainly doesn't come into talks for this liost.

Yeah Hopkins has better defense then AA and Wlad.

[Walt Liquor]

I could be totally wrong in my opinion. I see wlad using his feet and leaning back to not get hit. I also see him parrying punches like crazy.

Countering is offense. If you use countering as a part of d, then you can consider wlad's jab a defensive weapon too because he uses it to keep opponents out of range so they can't hit him. Which is the art of not getting hit, which is defense. I need more convincing.

[apokalips]

I can't remember the last time I saw someone hit Mayweather with consecutive power shots. He rarely seems to get hit and doesn't have much of a size advantage over his opponents so its not his size keeping him at bay like someone like Wlad.

[Walt Liquor]

I'm not buying the size argument. Just because you are tall, doesn't mean you are can't he a good defensive fighter. You still have to have skills. Look at pwill and caballero. They are tall as shi t for their weight classes but they get hit a lot. Size depends on how you use it and it should not be used against somones defensive effectiveness. That's crap. Defense is not getting hit and wlad is the best right now.

I'm still open to argument, but someone needs to convince me that using your god given tools should be held against you. Floyd had god given reflexes, wlad gas god given size. Bih help them not get hit. Why hold one against wlad and not hold it against Floyd?