Most effective defensive fighter in the game today

[Walt Liquor]

The biggest part might even be the fact that he can do this by being in the pocket.

Wlad doesn't get hit MOSTLY because of how far away he is from his opponent.

Floyd can make you miss and parry your shots standing directly in front of you.

does that make the d better if you get hit more than someone else? I put "effective d"? that's what I want to know.

I agree 1000000000% tht floyd is slicker and has much better d stylistically. however, as far as not getting hit due to one's d and dominating the fight (by never ever seeming to lose rounds) I think Wlad takes it. And I think everyone knows that Wlad is a defense first fighter. He's certainly not an offensive juggernaut.

[Eaner0919]

Floyd is the slickest fighter, deffensively. But d is hitting and not getting hit. Wlad is awkward but Floyd gets hit a ton more than wlad does. That's a fact Jack.

I think in Wlad's case you have to account for the size advantage he has had on opponents being a factor as to why he doesn't get hit, also the offense he puts out there discourages fighters from punching back for fear of getting nailed.

Floyd does it on talent and skill not physical advantages

[The_Demon]

floyd mayweather by far,hes pure skill and doesnt need physical advantages to be effective

i give abraham and calderon credit for the effectiveness of their defence due to generally fighting guys taller/bigger than they are

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

does that make the d better if you get hit more than someone else? I put "effective d"? that's what I want to know.

I agree 1000000000% tht floyd is slicker and has much better d stylistically. however, as far as not getting hit due to one's d and dominating the fight (by never ever seeming to lose rounds) I think Wlad takes it. And I think everyone knows that Wlad is a defense first fighter. He's certainly not an offensive juggernaut.

Bro him not getting hit has nothing do with great defense it has to do with his size , reach and jab. Thats OFFENSE. A jab is OFFENSE. Hes not even one of the Top Heavies period for defense.

[THE REED]

holding/parrying/slippin/footwork. all parts of defense burner. they aren't as slippery and pretty as what floyd does but they are as effective.

Parrying and slipping?

Wlad leans back and holds out his jab to get away from an opponent swinging at him, by creating distance.

Floyd actually parrys and slips shots and then creates effective counters from it.

You can take away the counter shot.. but the slipping and parrying of Floyd cannot be compared to Wlad... you can't just group all of those together.

i'm cool with leaving wlads jab out of the discussion if you are cool with leaving floyd's countering out of it.

wlad does the exact same thing by blocking and leaning back.

Floyd blocks a lot more than Wlad.

A lot more.

Most of Wlads defensive is leaning straight back so that he is out of the reach of his opponent.

Floyd uses many more attributes when defending his opponent.

Which his gloves up, he blocks your left hook with his right glove, he blocks your straight shots by rolling them off the shoulder.

He actually does slip under your shots.

Now Floyd leans back to counter just like Wlad does... but Floyd utilizes a lot more moves with his defense, and quite successfully.

bottom line. wlad gets hit less than floyd and wins more rounds. wlad is a VERY defensive fighter. he only lets his hands go when he feels he's safe and has a shot.

Roy Jones in his prime got his less than both, and won more rounds in his prime than both... yet I still wouldn't say Roys defensive skills are better just based on those stats.

Roys defense relied on on reflexes.

Wlads defense is highly based on his height, and ability to lean out of the reach of the opponent.

Floyd has more than just one facet.

Floyd can use his reflexes like Roy to make you miss.

Floyd can lean back like Wlad, and then counter.

Floyd can also stand in the pocket, block, parry, and counter shots standing 6 inches in front of you.

All 3 of these fighters are good defensive fighters.. my point is that, Floyd has more facets to his defensive game. He has more tools in the shed when it comes to defense.

i would say his footwork, parrying and dodging is better than floyd considering he is waaaay slower than floyd naturally and he gets hit less.

Well you would also have to take into considertion the fighters Wlad is facing are also equally as slow...

Footwork you might be able to argue.

Parrying, and dodging? Absolutely not.

and stop using his size as a crutch. there are plenty of gigantic fighters that get teed off on all the time. using your god given abilities properly shouldn't take away from your defensive skills.

His height does in fact give him the ability to lean back out of reach. It is what it is.

When has Wlad ever fought a fighter taller than him or with a longer reach?

Floyd has, and defended them effectively.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Parrying and slipping?

Wlad leans back and holds out his jab to get away from an opponent swinging at him, by creating distance.

Floyd actually parrys and slips shots and then creates effective counters from it.

You can take away the counter shot.. but the slipping and parrying of Floyd cannot be compared to Wlad... you can't just group all of those together.



Floyd blocks a lot more than Wlad.

A lot more.

Most of Wlads defensive is leaning straight back so that he is out of the reach of his opponent.

Floyd uses many more attributes when defending his opponent.

Which his gloves up, he blocks your left hook with his right glove, he blocks your straight shots by rolling them off the shoulder.

He actually does slip under your shots.

Now Floyd leans back to counter just like Wlad does... but Floyd utilizes a lot more moves with his defense, and quite successfully.



Roy Jones in his prime got his less than both, and won more rounds in his prime than both... yet I still wouldn't say Roys defensive skills are better just based on those stats.

Roys defense relied on on reflexes.

Wlads defense is highly based on his height, and ability to lean out of the reach of the opponent.

Floyd has more than just one facet.

Floyd can use his reflexes like Roy to make you miss.

Floyd can lean back like Wlad, and then counter.

Floyd can also stand in the pocket, block, parry, and counter shots standing 6 inches in front of you.

All 3 of these fighters are good defensive fighters.. my point is that, Floyd has more facets to his defensive game. He has more tools in the shed when it comes to defense.



Well you would also have to take into considertion the fighters Wlad is facing are also equally as slow...

Footwork you might be able to argue.

Parrying, and dodging? Absolutely not.



His height does in fact give him the ability to lean back out of reach. It is what it is.

When has Wlad ever fought a fighter taller than him or with a longer reach?

Floyd has, and defended them effectively.

Perfect Post. green K.

[Walt Liquor]

I think in Wlad's case you have to account for the size advantage he has had on opponents being a factor as to why he doesn't get hit, also the offense he puts out there discourages fighters from punching back for fear of getting nailed.

Floyd does it on talent and skill not physical advantages

Ok, I can see where you're going Eaner. People are scared as hell of Wlad's straight right (offense). Are they not scared of Floyd's counters (offense). does that not make people hesitate when attacking Floyd? Again, I could be wrong and I'm not trying to discredit Floyd's d. Just talking about something I was thinking about.

Does floyd not also have physical advantages (speed/reflexes)? Let me put it like this. Let's say Diego fought defensively and was able to lean away and block incoming fire at 130 (where he was waaay taller than everyone). Would we hold it against him that he was naturally tall for his weight class when evaluating his defensive abilities.

[The_Demon]

Parrying and slipping?

Wlad leans back and holds out his jab to get away from an opponent swinging at him, by creating distance.

Floyd actually parrys and slips shots and then creates effective counters from it.

You can take away the counter shot.. but the slipping and parrying of Floyd cannot be compared to Wlad... you can't just group all of those together.



Floyd blocks a lot more than Wlad.

A lot more.

Most of Wlads defensive is leaning straight back so that he is out of the reach of his opponent.

Floyd uses many more attributes when defending his opponent.

Which his gloves up, he blocks your left hook with his right glove, he blocks your straight shots by rolling them off the shoulder.

He actually does slip under your shots.

Now Floyd leans back to counter just like Wlad does... but Floyd utilizes a lot more moves with his defense, and quite successfully.



Roy Jones in his prime got his less than both, and won more rounds in his prime than both... yet I still wouldn't say Roys defensive skills are better just based on those stats.

Roys defense relied on on reflexes.

Wlads defense is highly based on his height, and ability to lean out of the reach of the opponent.

Floyd has more than just one facet.

Floyd can use his reflexes like Roy to make you miss.

Floyd can lean back like Wlad, and then counter.

Floyd can also stand in the pocket, block, parry, and counter shots standing 6 inches in front of you.

All 3 of these fighters are good defensive fighters.. my point is that, Floyd has more facets to his defensive game. He has more tools in the shed when it comes to defense.



Well you would also have to take into considertion the fighters Wlad is facing are also equally as slow...

Footwork you might be able to argue.

Parrying, and dodging? Absolutely not.



His height does in fact give him the ability to lean back out of reach. It is what it is.

When has Wlad ever fought a fighter taller than him or with a longer reach?

Floyd has, and defended them effectively.

Spot on with every point

[THE REED]

does that make the d better if you get hit more than someone else? I put "effective d"? that's what I want to know.

I agree 1000000000% tht floyd is slicker and has much better d stylistically. however, as far as not getting hit due to one's d and dominating the fight (by never ever seeming to lose rounds) I think Wlad takes it. And I think everyone knows that Wlad is a defense first fighter. He's certainly not an offensive juggernaut.

Bro him not getting hit has nothing do with great defense it has to do with his size , reach and jab. Thats OFFENSE. A jab is OFFENSE. Hes not even one of the Top Heavies period for defense.

This is what I was going to answer with.

He doesn't get hit as much... why?

Because his opponents do not throw.... why?

Because Wlad uses his jab effectively and keeps the opponent at the end of his punches.

He uses his offense to create distance and keep the opponent way.

He isn't NOT being hit because of his defense, he is not being hit because he is keeping his opponents away with the reach of his punches..


Safety first fighter or not... his jab... IS his safety.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Ok, I can see where you're going Eaner. People are scared as hell of Wlad's straight right (offense). Are they not scared of Floyd's counters (offense). does that not make people hesitate when attacking Floyd? Again, I could be wrong and I'm not trying to discredit Floyd's d. Just talking about something I was thinking about.

Does floyd not also have physical advantages (speed/reflexes)? Let me put it like this. Let's say Diego fought defensively and was able to lean away and block incoming fire at 130 (where he was waaay taller than everyone). Would we hold it against him that he was naturally tall for his weight class when evaluating his defensive abilities.

You dont get the great defensive fighter tag for having long reach and a good jab.

Thats like me saying Paul Williams is great DEFENSIVELY. If he was to fight tall and use his JAB.

Which is offense. A jab is offense.