Carlos Baldomir + Zab Judah were the #1+#2 WW's when floyd beat them

[War Dinamita]

How do you expect the *******s to know this when they just started watching boxing a few years ago?

[flexxx145]

jesus h fekking christ you have got to be kidding me?

zab judah & carlos baldomir where never 1# welterweights. EVER.

Baldomir was linear champ but that was it. being linear doesnt necessarily mean being the best.

& zab judah 1#? stay off that a side meth. Zab was NEVER, EVER, EVER 1# WELTERWEIGHT.

Is this is the same zab judah who is 7-5-1 as a welterweight?

LMFAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


His only great win at welter was corey spinks who beat him earlier. He has losses vs floyd, clottey, spinks, baldomir, & cotto.

His 7 wins?

Corey Spinks
Ernest Johnson
Wayne Martell
Rafael Pineda
Edwin Vasquez
Cosme Rivera
& last but not least, the legendary 22-19 Ubaldo Hernandez.

LMFAAAOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This guy must have forgot Zab used to be the undisputed WW champ and held all the belts. What can you expect from a *******?

[Flawless Loc]

Dude even Ellerbe said the 8mil guarantee was real. And, he did guarantee Floyd 7mil for Cotto and Hatton but Floyd wanted 10mil and Arum didn't think he could guarantee him that.

Arum made a mistake with Floyd popularity he honestly didn't think the Oscar fight was going to do that much. He was wrong. But, the 8mil guarantee was real.

And, yes Margarito would of done more PPV buys then Baldomir he had a bigger fan base than Baldomir at the time.

I think he could of possibly done more with Judah also. i think he would of brought the Mexican community to the fight. I think they would of broke the 400k.

That 8 million wasn't real. Since he could only offer Winky wright 4 million. Margarito wasn't even a draw and didn't have a fan base until he beat Cotto,

If Cotto/Margarito could only done 500k at the height of their draw, how would PBF/Margarito do 400k. Doesn't make sense

Again how can he guarantee 8 million for Margarito yet only 7 million for Hatton/Cotto.

[Kagami Taiga]

margarito is much much better than those 2 "top" guys that floyd beat.

mayorga ducked him
spinks ducked him
judah ducked him
baldomir ducked him
floyd ducked him

now how exactly is he suppoed to get "known" if they won't fight him? he's already destroying all the other top welterweights on hbo and showtime thats not good enough? should they just pretend he's not real? how can you be a fan of someone who does that?

oh plz, its already been proven by arum that floyd didnt duck margs. he wanted the money for the fight and he couldnt get it. simple fact. it wasnt a duck. lets stop acting margs was that good plz...he wasnt nothing special the first time he foguht a welter with heart, he got exposed.

[War Dinamita]

That 8 million wasn't real. Since he could only offer Winky wright 4 million. Margarito wasn't even a draw and didn't have a fan base until he beat Cotto,

If Cotto/Margarito could only done 500k at the height of their draw, how would PBF/Margarito do 400k. Doesn't make sense

Again how can he guarantee 8 million for Margarito yet only 7 million for Hatton/Cotto.

The numbers are real. Arum and Floyd confirmed Arum made him those offers.

[-The Glove-]

By Glenn Wilson

One by one the excuses begin, "no one wants to see that fight", "who has he fought" or " no one knows who he is". The excuses are like bricks that eventually build up into a wall-a wall that would make a lesser man give up any hope of possibly getting a big name fighter in the ring with him. But this is not your run of the mill everyday fighter. This is a man whose patience has been tested time and time again. Welcome to the world of Antonio Margarito.

On February 18, in the Aladdin Casino in Las Vegas, Antonio Margarito (32-4, 23ko's) will square off against journeyman Manuel Gomez (28-10-2, 19 ko's) in defense of his WBO Welterweight title, while he is more than happy to defend his belt, it is not exactly the fight he had hoped would kick off 2006.

Margarito is a fighter's fighter. He gets in, does his job and moves on. However, the name opponents seem to have blacklisted Antonio. Few fighters of note, from 140 to 154, appear willing to face him. But who could blame them. Margarito is at 5'11, a tall, rangy fighter who has power in both hands. He methodically takes over a fight, slowly breaking down opponents with a steady barrage of hooks and straight right hands.

Margarito has struggled at times in his career, his Junior Middleweight title shot with veteran Daniel Santos was stopped due to cuts which led to a loss via technical decision. But he rebounded by literally boxing the ear off of tough Sebastian Lujan. His last fight was nearly a year ago when he took on rising star Kermit Cintron. Cintron came into the fight with a reputation as a devastating puncher, having stopped all but two of his previous opponents. It wasn't long before Cintron was out of his element. Margarito completely outfought and overpowered Cintron to the point that many wondered if Cintron could ever come back mentally.

And still Margarito hears the excuses. Various reports said that Floyd Mayweather offered Margarito a fight on April 8 but that Margarito's management, led by Sergio Diaz Jr. and Francisco Espinosa, rejected the fight. Margarito's team said no offer ever existed. Mayweather then contradicted himself by saying no offer was made because no one knew who Antonio Margarito was and no one would want to see the fight. The truth is that most people would like to see that fight and Mexico nation would turn out in force to support Margarito.

Now we hear that Oscar De La Hoya is set to fight on May 6, opting to fight the hard hitting, wild swinging Ricardo Mayorga for the WBC Junior Middleweight title. Instead of dropping back to 147 as previously announced perhaps Oscar felt it was more beneficial to fight a guy who had lost two of his last four fights and a guy who is not rated in the top ten by most of the boxing organizations.

While De La Hoya and Mayweather have enough clout to pick and choose who they fight, Margarito is still knocking on the door. Ever the sportsman, Antonio tries to be patient and hope that somewhere down the line his name will be mentioned along with Judah, Spinks , De La Hoya or Mayweather.

Other than Mayweather, the other aforementioned fighters have one thing in common, they have all shown signs of slipping in their previous fights. That makes Margarito even more of a risk and less likely to be at the top of anyone's wish list.

Big time fighters often hurt the sport we love by choosing quantity (money) over quality (deserving opponents), while fighters like Mayorga are constantly put in title fight situations, hard working worthy contenders like Antonio Margarito are left out in the cold. Margarito deserves that shot and that big payday.

For a fighter that quote, "no one wants to see", Margarito continues to build on his already impressive career. After failing in his first attempt to win the WBO Welterweight title he was able to come back to win the vacant title with a tenth round stoppage of Antonio Diaz in March of 2002. Since then he has defended his title five times, winning all five, four by knockout.

Margarito's biggest test to date was his second round knockout of Andrew "Six Heads " Lewis in February of 2003. Lewis was known for being a knockout artist and was thought to be a fighter that would give Antonio a good fight. That fight cemented Margarito's claim as one of top welterweights in the world but may have had a double edged sword affect on him, opponents saw his ability and slowly started looking for reasons to avoid fighting him.

And now three years, later Antonio is still waiting for his signature fight. The fight that puts him on the covers of Ring and KO magazines, the fight that lets America know what Mexico has known for years, that Antonio Margarito is one of the, if not the, best welterweights in the world. Until then he will keep plugging away, defending his WBO Welterweight title against the Manuel Gomez's of the world.

[flexxx145]

oh plz, its already been proven by arum that floyd didnt duck margs. he wanted the money for the fight and he couldnt get it. simple fact. it wasnt a duck. lets stop acting margs was that good plz...he wasnt nothing special the first time he foguht a welter with heart, he got exposed.

I don't understand why people are even talking about Margacheato like he wasn't wearing cement wraps. This dude is a bum without plaster.

[jrosales13]

This is the bull**** I am talking about. With all the contradiction.

lol, i never bought pac into this...pac fought who he wanted to fight. did i agree with some of the fights he chose???no...the cotto fight is fine, his best win imo. the oscar fight???come on that fight was just for show, oscar was never really in it, we all know that.

The Oscar fight was show in favor of Oscar right? Oscar cherrypicked Pac right? It was a money fight right? Oscar was getting bashed for picking on little Pac right? Nobody really gave Pac a chance right? And, for the love of god it was Oscar who turnds down that? Only Winky Wright does.

the morales fight???cool. and the hatton fight???hatton had a name, but it was significantly tarnished after he got koed by mayweather. and besides the only ones who ever thought hatton was any good were those euros. judah had a huge following in the us a lot of ppl thought he was destined for great things.

Ok Hatton name was tarnised cuz he lost to Floyd but Judah name was not tarnished when he lost to a journeyman? And, wasn't Hatton coming off a win over a top 10 JWW in Malignaggi? What win was Judah coming off? Judah had a following in the US? Really what kind? How many PPV did Judah Headline before the Floyd fight? Judah was destined for great things after getting starched in 2 rounds and loosing a decision to a journeyman? Naw bro at the time he was not destined to great things anymore.

[fdotorres]

April 2007 rankings for the 140lb division?

dude don't go off topic when a person is schooling the **** out of you

you made **** up to justify your thread. just admit it and move on

[jrosales13]

That 8 million wasn't real. Since he could only offer Winky wright 4 million. Margarito wasn't even a draw and didn't have a fan base until he beat Cotto,

If Cotto/Margarito could only done 500k at the height of their draw, how would PBF/Margarito do 400k. Doesn't make sense

Again how can he guarantee 8 million for Margarito yet only 7 million for Hatton/Cotto.

Bro, how long have you been a Floyd fan? Did you just become a fan when he beat Oscar? How can you not know the 8mil was real that Ellerbe said it was real. Man I am more of a Floyd fan than you. I am done with you since you don't wnat to deal with facts.