Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Mosley Trade Words Face To Face on HBO

[BadBrains]

thats why i can see Pac beating floyd. i also can see floyd dominating with that reach and footwork. i just hope all of these guys fight each other.

same here.

[GRUSTLER]

the fact is if we are talking about floyd and shane, than Pac's resume has nothing to do with Floyds resume. i understand what you are saying. but i put it like this. Floyd fights great but he is not a great fighter yet. the reason is this, compared to an all time great, sugar ray leonard, who was retired for 2+ years, came back and fought Marvin Hagler. Floyd was retired and came back to fight JMM, who was 2 weight class under him, made him come up and didnt even make weight. now i love floyds skills, he is the best at what he does, but he just doesnt challenge himself. you can say the same for pac but atleast when he moves up he takes on challenges. if they werent challenges, then why was pac supposed to lose to cotto according to most experts including Floyds people.

Cotto struggling against Clottey and having to fight Pac at a
catchweight when Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 is challenging
himself? What about Freddie Roach's comments about why he
picked Oscar and Hatton? & how Roach felt about Clottey?
Roach NEVER felt like Pac was being challenged by an of the last
5 guys he fought because he said it himself. I thought Pac was
going to be challenged but he has been the heavy favorite in each
match up with exception of Oscar because of size. I don't know
man, I just feel like Floyd gets too much flack because in actuality,
Floyd fought all the guys that made sense in his career and the ones
he didn't fight that made sense didn't really make an effort to fight
him when he was coming up looking for a big break so how can
Floyd be labeled a ducker? Floyd got the fight with Oscar and
fought Hatton. Pac got the fight with Oscar and fought, Hatton,
Cotto and Clottey with each fighter not looking like themselves
or lackluster. bottomline my friend is that, these are not the
Ray Leonard times anymore and it is clear every fighter is all
about the benjamins. Miguel Cotto was the last of the throw back
fighters and look what happened to him at such a young age.

[FromAfrica]

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[BadBrains]

Accuracy my friend Accuracy. The pefect example of that would be Mayweather vs de la hoya in that fight Oscar was much more active but it was Mayweather's accuracy that got him the win. It don't matter how active you are if you're landing half of what your opponent is landing you wont win!

comparing DLH's activity level to pac's is absolutely ******ed.

[BadBrains]

Cotto struggling against Clottey and having to fight Pac at a
catchweight when Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 is challenging
himself? What about Freddie Roach's comments about why he
picked Oscar and Hatton? & how Roach felt about Clottey?
Roach NEVER felt like Pac was being challenged by an of the last
5 guys he fought because he said it himself. I thought Pac was
going to be challenged but he has been the heavy favorite in each
match up with exception of Oscar because of size. I don't know
man, I just feel like Floyd gets too much flack because in actuality,
Floyd fought all the guys that made sense in his career and the ones
he didn't fight that made sense didn't really make an effort to fight
him when he was coming up looking for a big break so how can
Floyd be labeled a ducker? Floyd got the fight with Oscar and
fought Hatton. Pac got the fight with Oscar and fought, Hatton,
Cotto and Clottey with each fighter not looking like themselves
or lackluster. bottomline my friend is that, these are not the
Ray Leonard times anymore and it is clear every fighter is all
about the benjamins. Miguel Cotto was the last of the throw back
fighters and look what happened to him at such a young age.

pacquiao was not tested at ww before he fought cotto, so he needed a catchweight to see if he can hang. after that, he fought at the full ww limit. now stop hating.

[GRUSTLER]

i agree with what you say but what i dont agree with is you defend Mayweather and at the same time downgrade Pac. Now my fav fighter is Shane but im more of a boxing fan. the fact is if floyd wants the fight, he will get it, period. boxing is the biggest stars get what they want, and floyd is one of the biggest.

Yes judah and Bladomir were the biggest fights, but they were far from the best opposition. but than you downgrade pac for fighting cotto when that fight was bigger than shane v pac. you cant have it both ways.

the bottom line is these guys have no where else to go but to fight each other and we will see who is better.

My argument to you was how could you down play Floyd when Pac
and other fighters are doing the same thing? I don't have anything
personal against Pac. The only thing he pissed me off about is that
he didn't take the tests and fight Floyd but other than that I like
Pac but don't like the fact that Pac fans put him up on such a high
podium but yet treat Floyd like he didn't pave the way for Pacquiao's
success. I just like straight talk.

[GRUSTLER]

pacquiao was not tested at ww before he fought cotto, so he needed a catchweight to see if he can hang. after that, he fought at the full ww limit. now stop hating.

Floyd NEVER fought at a catchweight. He moved up and even
fought the bigger Oscar at 154 for the legit title. I am not hating
but just telling it like it is. It's obvious that you don't like Floyd
so any countering I do against Pac or in defense for Floyd you
will label it hating.

[Tweezy316]

i agree, however, i dont think pac has the chin or frame to compete with floyd and especially shane. i think floyd ud's pac, due to reach, height and quickness and i think shane knocks pac out in 4. i think a pac shane fight would be a toe to toe war. even tho pac has a lot of power and speed i think shanes chin gives pac problems, he wont be able to deter shane and i think shanes speed and power would be too much for pac. i think pac is special, but not a full ww due to his smaller frame and height...
you are right, these guys all need to fight eachother, that is what the greats did---hagler, hearns, duran, leonard, ali, frazier, tyson, lewis, foreman, holyfield....these guys all challenged themselves to fight the best out there, something floyd hasnt done yet.

Didn't you watch the interview? Mosley said it best. Floyd isn't duckin or dodgin anybody. But the money has to be right. And that's just the way it is. Like it or not. That's how Roach does business, so why can't Floyd? There are several great fighters out there who could beat Pacquiao and everytime Roach is asked about them he says that their not big enough names yet so it wouldn't sell on ppv. Even tho he contradicts himself because Clottey isn't a big name either. So you could say that's just an excuse to duck good fighters. So I wish people would stop talkin about the fighters Floyd has fought or hasn't fought w/o talkin about other fighters as well. Because at the end of the day this is a business. And all the top fighters are about money. And the ones who aren't well known they are the ones fighting any and everybody to get their name out there. That's how this sport works. And if you disagree your lying to yourself.

[drudolphreese]

Cotto struggling against Clottey and having to fight Pac at a
catchweight when Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 is challenging
himself? What about Freddie Roach's comments about why he
picked Oscar and Hatton? & how Roach felt about Clottey?
Roach NEVER felt like Pac was being challenged by an of the last
5 guys he fought because he said it himself. I thought Pac was
going to be challenged but he has been the heavy favorite in each
match up with exception of Oscar because of size. I don't know
man, I just feel like Floyd gets too much flack because in actuality,
Floyd fought all the guys that made sense in his career and the ones
he didn't fight that made sense didn't really make an effort to fight
him when he was coming up looking for a big break so how can
Floyd be labeled a ducker? Floyd got the fight with Oscar and
fought Hatton. Pac got the fight with Oscar and fought, Hatton,
Cotto and Clottey with each fighter not looking like themselves
or lackluster. bottomline my friend is that, these are not the
Ray Leonard times anymore and it is clear every fighter is all
about the benjamins. Miguel Cotto was the last of the throw back
fighters and look what happened to him at such a young age.

Floyd fights for money not greatness. the mere fact that we are talking about his resume of fighters lets you know he hasnt fought the best. we dont talk about no other fighter resume but Floyds and Pac's. that should tell you something.

[drudolphreese]

My argument to you was how could you down play Floyd when Pac
and other fighters are doing the same thing? I don't have anything
personal against Pac. The only thing he pissed me off about is that
he didn't take the tests and fight Floyd but other than that I like
Pac but don't like the fact that Pac fans put him up on such a high
podium but yet treat Floyd like he didn't pave the way for Pacquiao's
success. I just like straight talk.

i dont downgrade floyd and not pac. i just think pac's resume is a little better. i agree that they put pac on a podium but if floyd would have did better to go out of his way to fight better fighers he would be there. floyd talks the most and them goes out and fights JMM, a fighter two classes under him. like i said i love floyd cuz im a boxing fan and i appriciate what he does but he just need to do more. he been around too long for his resume to be this weak, im sorry.