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  • THe TRiNiTY
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    #1

    ..If The Fight Is Boring, Blame The LOSER...

    Not the winner. The loser should have done more. The winner didn't have to, that's why he won.

    That is all.
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    #2
    People know by now they can't expect fireworks in Wlad's fights. Maybe expect KO's, but not firefights. He picks his guys apart piece by piece. He's too big to go all out. I'm disappointed in the passiveness in Chambers.

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      #3
      Originally posted by THe TRiNiTY
      Not the winner. The loser should have done more. The winner didn't have to, that's why he won.

      That is all.
      im not saying it was/wasnt boring

      but each fight is different.... if a fight is boring, BLAME THE BORING FIGHTER!

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      • THe TRiNiTY
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        #4
        Originally posted by -veteran420-
        im not saying it was/wasnt boring

        but each fight is different.... if a fight is boring, BLAME THE BORING FIGHTER!
        Boring essentially means not lively, lacking spirit. Klitschko, for example, doesn't lack spirit. He simply doesn't go overboard, because no one forces him to. He's not as lively as Manny Pacquiao, but no one really is. He really isn't boring. He's simply too comfortable. Which can be BORING TO WATCH, but that doesn't make HIM boring. When Chambers came in and tried, Klitschko moved, countered, took the shot or blocked them. Then, he'd fire back, pin him against the ropes, try with his combinations, knock him around and then it reset. You really can't ask much more from him.

        He may or may not have stamina problems. He hasn't recently. Regardless, he has to keep that in mind. He has to be cautious of that. Regardless, he threw a lot of punches in there. He did what he had to do and then he put him to sleep. Keep this in mind, he had a SHUT OUT on virtually everyones scorecard. He didn't NEED to do that in the 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th round. But he did. That is spirited. That is lively. If Chambers doesn't go down right away, or leave the openings, what is he supposed to do? Throw punches like crazy, still not land, get tired and lose to someone that he's able to toy with?

        That's foolish.

        He's not boring, he's simply too damn good.

        Blame the LOSER. He's the one who lacked. Blaming someone for winning is like blaming someone with charm for getting better girls than you do.

        You're the one lacking, you're to blame.

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          #5
          Originally posted by THe TRiNiTY
          Boring essentially means not lively, lacking spirit. Klitschko, for example, doesn't lack spirit. He simply doesn't go overboard, because no one forces him to. He's not as lively as Manny Pacquiao, but no one really is. He really isn't boring. He's simply too comfortable. Which can be BORING TO WATCH, but that doesn't make HIM boring. When Chambers came in and tried, Klitschko moved, countered, took the shot or blocked them. Then, he'd fire back, pin him against the ropes, try with his combinations, knock him around and then it reset. You really can't ask much more from him.

          He may or may not have stamina problems. He hasn't recently. Regardless, he has to keep that in mind. He has to be cautious of that. Regardless, he threw a lot of punches in there. He did what he had to do and then he put him to sleep. Keep this in mind, he had a SHUT OUT on virtually everyones scorecard. He didn't NEED to do that in the 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th round. But he did. That is spirited. That is lively. If Chambers doesn't go down right away, or leave the openings, what is he supposed to do? Throw punches like crazy, still not land, get tired and lose to someone that he's able to toy with?

          That's foolish.

          He's not boring, he's simply too damn good.

          Blame the LOSER. He's the one who lacked. Blaming someone for winning is like blaming someone with charm for getting better girls than you do.

          You're the one lacking, you're to blame.
          see, you're not looking at the big picture, or taking into account anything i said.... each situation is different....

          was Wright v Bhop boring because of Wright, not Bhop??

          was Wright v Tito boring because of Tito?

          i find most caderon fights boring... is it because of calderon's feather fists or because the loser doesnt get KO'd easy enough?

          its foolish to take one outlook like this and apply it to EVERY situation...

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            #6
            Originally posted by -veteran420-
            see, you're not looking at the big picture, or taking into account anything i said.... each situation is different....

            was Wright v Bhop boring because of Wright, not Bhop??

            was Wright v Tito boring because of Tito?

            i find most caderon fights boring... is it because of calderon's feather fists or because the loser doesnt get KO'd easy enough?

            its foolish to take one outlook like this and apply it to EVERY situation...
            I understand that it's a generalization. What I'm saying is that it fits the situation, 9 out of 10.

            If a fighter is defensive-minded, feather-fisted or too cautious, then the fight could be boring. You might want to blame that fighter. Here's why I don't think it counts. The fighter who is facing said fighter should be pressing the action. He should be forcing the harder, tougher fighter. If he doesn't do that, then the fight still lacks.

            The winner, since he WON, really doesn't/shouldn't in most cases, change his game plan. It's up to the loser TO FORCE him to change his game plan. If he doesn't, the fight suffers. That... makes it his fault.

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              #7
              Does this apply to Mayweather vs Oscar?

              biggest hype to never deliver, ever, in the history of sports. And theres a strong opinion of who's to blame

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                #8
                I dont get it. Are you talking about Pacquiao-Clottey or Wlad-Chambers?

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                • THe TRiNiTY
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by shogunn
                  Does this apply to Mayweather vs Oscar?

                  biggest hype to never deliver, ever, in the history of sports. And theres a strong opinion of who's to blame

                  You and I both have opinions. They don't prove anything.

                  Oscar did a lot for 6 rounds. And the first few rounds were relatively exciting. Competitive. Then, he faded off and allowed Floyd to pot shot. Think of it this way. Oscar ALLOWED him to pot shot. Who's fault would that be?

                  And if the pot shotting made the fight boring, and it's Oscar's fault for allowing it, then is it really Floyd's fault? He won. He did what he had to do. He did his damage. Oscar didn't force the fight to change. If he had, the fight might have lived up (impossible, since the fight was hyped up so much, that virtually no fight would have lived up to that billing.) However, he didn't. And the fight suffered. It's OSCAR'S fault.

                  And I'm an Oscar fan.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by THe TRiNiTY
                    I understand that it's a generalization. What I'm saying is that it fits the situation, 9 out of 10.

                    If a fighter is defensive-minded, feather-fisted or too cautious, then the fight could be boring. You might want to blame that fighter. Here's why I don't think it counts. The fighter who is facing said fighter should be pressing the action. He should be forcing the harder, tougher fighter. If he doesn't do that, then the fight still lacks.

                    The winner, since he WON, really doesn't/shouldn't in most cases, change his game plan. It's up to the loser TO FORCE him to change his game plan. If he doesn't, the fight suffers. That... makes it his fault.
                    i wont argue with that...

                    and i understand why most find certain fights boring, i however, generally dont... i like watching winky-esque fighters fight... i like watching wlad fight (although for some reason i was hoping he'd lose this time)...

                    but its all about preferences i guess... i'd find a 1-0 baseball game boring as sin but a baseball enthusiast might find the "pitchers duel" to be exciting as ****....

                    either way... there's always going to be haters and bitchers...

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