Is Carl Froch currently the most overrated fighter?

[BattlingNelson]

The Pascal win is legit.

The Taylor win is still lucky. There was like.. what? 30 seconds left in the fight. If Taylor didn't gas out in the last 30 seconds, he wouldn't be the champion, anymore. And don't act like it was a prime Taylor that he fought.

Froch has a one legit win over prime fighter, a lucky win over past-prime fighter and a flat-out robbery of a win over a green Dirrell.. Kessler has been in more title fights and beaten more top 10 opposition than Froch has.

Funny that you find the Taylor win lucky. A fight last 12 rounds. Not 11½.

And calling the Direll fight a robbery is laughable. What would you then call Chavez-whitaker, Holmes-SpinksII etc.? It was a close fight but hardly a robbery.

[Fiasco]

Funny that you find the Taylor win lucky. A fight last 12 rounds. Not 11½.

And calling the Direll fight a robbery is laughable. What would you then call Chavez-whitaker, Holmes-SpinksII etc.? It was a close fight but hardly a robbery.

A dramatic comeback win in the final 30 seconds of the fight, after being behind on the scorecards, isn't lucky?

Anyone who would consider Dirrell vs Froch a close fight doesn't know how to score a fight.

[Mr.Crust]

He is unfunnily underrated,but thats NSB.

[ruffles]

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damn

[Ray*]

One of the most hated fighters on the forums. Not overrated.

He may have over-achieved, but due to a limited skill set, he still pulls out wins over impressive names.

If he beats Kessler, his resume surpasses Calzaghe's in my opinion. Then he'll face Abraham in what should be the biggest fight at 168 since Calzaghe/Kessler. Again, that's IF he beats Kessler.

Yep, If he beats Kessler especially by KO then i would definitely put him over Calzaghe..

[eli porter]

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damn

Do you think he's overrated then?

[Clegg]

The Pascal win is legit.

The Taylor win is still lucky. There was like.. what? 30 seconds left in the fight. If Taylor didn't gas out in the last 30 seconds, he wouldn't be the champion, anymore. And don't act like it was a prime Taylor that he fought.

Froch has a one legit win over prime fighter, a lucky win over past-prime fighter and a flat-out robbery of a win over a green Dirrell.. Kessler has been in more title fights and beaten more top 10 opposition than Froch has.

Taylor didn't suddenly gas out in the last 30 seconds. He was forced to fight at a higher pace than he wanted to all night long, and was worn down by a large number of punches.

I don't think Taylor looked past his best against Froch. His stamina was no worse than against Hopkins, Pavlik or Wright. Hopkins started too late to fully take advantage of it, Wright lacked the power to take advantage of it, and Pavlik (much like Froch) had the workrate and the power to win.

Against Froch, Taylor's movement, timing, speed, jab, right hand etc. were all as good as they were at 160.

By your logic, you can say that any win in a close fight is down to luck. Williams>Martinez? That's luck, because Paul was lucky to have better stamina. Margarito>Cotto? That's luck too. Cotto>Clottey? Luck. Was Toney lucky against Nunn? JT is one of the most skilled boxers of the past 20 years, but he had a come-from-behind KO victory so...?

Saying that it's just luck suggests that anyone in there against Taylor would've done the same thing. The reality is that, as we saw in Taylor-Lacy, an unskilled but tough boxer who tries his best will still lose a shutout. You need to actually be a very good fighter to pull it off, even with Taylor's stamina being his main weakness.

[disolly]

I think so.

Let's not forget that he was behind on the scorecards, against a prime-past Taylor.

Now, coming off an embarrassing loss to Dirrell, he should be lucky if he gets past the 6th round against Kessler.

I think he is a bit overrated but he knocked out Taylor, even though he was pretty close to losing somewhat decisively. And Dirrell didn't deserve the win, i think it should have been a draw, because Dirrell was clearly the better boxer, but he ran way too much. He made it such a brutal fight to watch. I had Froch winning half the rounds based on Dirrell not doing enough to win the round and him being the guy retreating/ on the run. Kessler won't do that, so I think he will either easily beat him or maybe Froch will KO him, though I don't think Carl is that great of a KO puncher, Taylor was the only one that impressed me, but Abraham kind of ruined that, since he did the same thing and actually beat him on the cards as well.

[BattlingNelson]

A dramatic comeback win in the final 30 seconds of the fight, after being behind on the scorecards, isn't lucky?

Anyone who would consider Dirrell vs Froch a close fight doesn't know how to score a fight.

No. Boxing at this level last 12 full rounds. It's not like a cuts-stoppage while behind on points....

Graham Houston who's arguably the best boxing writer on the planet had Froch winning. He also said this about the so-called robbery:

In the Showtime coverage, which was my vehicle for viewing the fight, analyst Al Bernstein had Dirrell edging it but didn’t seem too sure. In the British broadcast, commentator John Rawling of the new PPV platform Primetime had Dirrell winning (I know this because he sent me an email to this effect after the fight), while I’m told that ex-fighter analyst Jon Thaxton also scored it for Dirrell while pundit Steve Bunce went for Froch.

That’s the sort of fight it was — open to interpretation.

[black.ink]

I agree, if he beats Kessler id say his resume would be better tha Clazaghe's (who im a big fan of). A win against Abraham would deffo sal the deal. 2 Tough fight though.

If Froch beats Kessler, i'll be going all out on him to beat Abraham. Abraham will most likely beat Froch, but as the old saying goes...''live by the sword....''

Funny that you find the Taylor win lucky. A fight last 12 rounds. Not 11½.

And calling the Direll fight a robbery is laughable. What would you then call Chavez-whitaker, Holmes-SpinksII etc.? It was a close fight but hardly a robbery.

Not sure i'd call Froch/Dirrell a robbery, but i did have Andre winning by 2 rounds. Some rounds were difficult to score, and punch stats obviously tell a different story......the main factor was Dirrell not wanting to fight. People may call it slick or whatever, but come on....i've seen more fight in Floyd, that's what a slick fighter is supposed to do.