We have no proof....but we do have common sense!

[koboy]

Just look at my sig. It's one of the worst arguments in NSB. Period.

This case is closed for most sensible people. Yes, even ones with common sense.

[champ_kw]

I agree, he's always been busy and powerful. But the things that he's doing at the age and the amount of wear and tear on his body don't add up. Roger Clemens was always a great pitcher, but when he has his lowest ERA of his life when he's on the tail end of his career is a joke. The body doesn't lie. It's a reason why great RB's in the NFL stats tend to decline after 30 years old. It's a reason why a supreme athlete like Roy Jones reflexes dissappeared on him in his 30's. There are too many examples of the human body being the common denominator in how supreme athletes perform. It's a reason why Jordan wasn't flying thru the air in his mid 30's. I'm not getting into the finger pointing match with everyone, it's just one of those things were common sense has to kick in somewhere.

[Kilrain]

He's only 31. Look at Hopkins. He's like 15 years older and he's still the lt-heavyweight king. Look at Ray Robinson in his thirties. And those were 15 round fights. People act like Pacquiao should be fighting like an old man.

[Mr. Anonymous]

What Pac is doing is no longer about what he's doing historically as a boxer, but more about what he's doing historically as a human being. If you lay out that he has been boxing over 15 years, close to 60 fights (that also includes almost 60 training camps), moved up 7 weight classes, and his punch output has increased with each division he has moved up. Now call me what you want. But this is the same guy that I witnessed with my own eyes catch Marquez flush 4 times and drop him but was never able to rattle his cage (same thing for Morrales who just sat on his behind and shake his head and quit) yet he is disconnecting bigger men from their senses with one punch. What he's doing is similar to Barry Bonds NEVER hitting anywhere close to 50 hrs to him sudenly ******* that many by August. The only way I think they get away with denial with a clear conscious is because all the people pointing fingers are misdiagnosing it. I think everyone is making a mistake by saying "steriods". It may very well not be steroids, but I believe it's closer to the endurance doping cyclists take during training....not necessarily during the event. How many times do I have to hear about legendary 8 hour workout sessions? Or watch him throw 1,200 plus punches with vigor in his 7th weight class? It's simply common sense.

Common sense...Something you lack!

[Tamis!]

Posted this on the other thread, if this logic is within every citizen in THE LAND OF THE FREE, then it's just WOW!

Originally Posted by Tamis_Siensya View Post
When i first saw how you guys post I honestly thought that you got your arguments laid out just fine, til you are faced with a particular question like this.

Cmon guys, not patronizing you in any way but you guys should be better than this!

Just answer the damn straight question and don't answer back with another question and some machismo ****, moreover an answer like burner's "how do you know he's innocent"? IMO that's just plain damn illogical, so like if I say I think ur girlfriend's ***kin' someone else, then you say NO WAY SHE'S LOYAL and i ask you HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE'S NOT ****ING SOMEBODY ELSE? You use that kinda logic? Honestly now....

And to my fellow Pacfans....just a piece of advice,

Don't use the arguement that HE NEVER FAILED A TEST because it's not good enough for these guys with their level of logic and thinking, they'll always kick in that SHANE MOSLEY NEVER FAILED THE TEST but swore under oath that he took some then said he didn't know. If you use that reason youre in a tough time debating with these guys!

I'm just sick and tired of all this talk! Moreover the people who think otherwise Pac is clean with an answer only good enough as a throwback question such as Burner's HOW DO YOU KNOW HE's INNOCENT!

Posters should be better than this man! It's sickening!

Don't get chirppy on me when i just speak of what i see as it is!

Back to the topic! Let's see who has proof that Pac's on PEDS, juice, AGIMAT, METH, man inculde everything you can accuse of him.

[TDEEZY58]

He's only 31. Look at Hopkins. He's like 15 years older and he's still the lt-heavyweight king. Look at Ray Robinson in his thirties. And those were 15 round fights. People act like Pacquiao should be fighting like an old man.

Hopkins hasn't been in the wars that Manny was in. The fights with Morales and Marquez were brutal. Even though he was dominant he still showed signs in the Cotto and Clottey fights that he ate some shots. He shouldn't be fighting like an old man, but to train as much as he does should cause some wear and tear on the body. I don't care how much protein you eat or drink, the punishment of training puts extra miles on the body, but somehow he isn't effected by this at all. I don't know what he's taking to recover from those workouts but Ariza would be a very rich man if told the public what supplements Manny was on because as someone that's very active I would love to buy use them.

[Gutz]

Man like I said I was here then you werent:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53057&highlight=Roids+Marco

Here you go.

I dont make up ****.

That guy who made that thread is as ****** as the *****s now..