Why Does Manny Get a Pass for Cherry Picking Opponents?

[Khalid X]

ok this will tell me how dellusional you are j do agree with this guys post...

Why is it delusional? Explain why. Also what does Jrose have to do with anything I post. He has his opinions and I have mine. You act like he is my Father or something.

[brick wall]

So nobody who question Pac's resume has made any valid points yet?

Nobody has yet to dispute the fact that Roach himself flat out said that Cotto, DLH, and Hatton, were shot and or past their prime.

Nobody has yet to dispute the fact that Roach wouldn't let Manny fight Mosely because according to Roach, he's "too good".

No one can justify why he ducked Raheem.

no bias here but where's raheem now? the guy's doesn't even have a decent boxing career now and he never reached top level anyway because he's not a top level fighter. so what's there to justify? if anything it's you who needs to make a justification. how can you say that pac ducked a lower level fighter like raheem but then went on to fight and beat much better opponents at higher weights? it just doesn't make sense.
pac just mentioned fighting mosley (if he beats floyd) right after the clottey fight so you can give that duck theory a rest. roach is pac's trainer but what he says doesn't always represents pac. the dela hoya shot theory is a non-issue in my opinion. if he's shot then he got what he deserved for picking a fight with a lightweight. cotto and hatton are just as the same age when they fought pac. each has 1 loss in their records while pac has 3. pac also has more fights. i don't know where's the shot and past prime theories are coming from.

[SAGO@GULAMAN]

I think his only cherrypicking move I have been critical of is fighting David Diaz over Casamayor and fighting Cotto over Shane.

cotto over shane... cherry picking?
i must be living in another planet

[JAB5239]

Honestly, I'm curious. Around these boards other boxers are constantly bashed about cherry picking, but no one, Pac fan or otherwise can claim Team Pac has done any different from these fighters they claimed have taken the easy road?

For example, Pac hardly gets any criticism for not fighting Mosely when his camp openly ducked him. I don't get it?

Same for Raheem. Raheem dominates Erik Morales for 11 out of 12 rounds, and instead of fighting Raheem, Manny fights a shot Morales.

You want to talk about cherry picking?

By Roach's own admission DLH was a dead man walking whom no longer desired to fight when he was matched up against Manny. He was literally drained and dehydrated, and this came straight from the mouth of Pacs camp.

Cotto? Again by team Pacs admission, Cotto was damaged goods who'd had his career ruined by Margarito. Did that stop them from fighting and hyping the fight? Nope.

Hatton? Again, by Team Pacs own admission, he'd been ruined by Mayweather, and was coming off a fight where he'd been brutalized by Lazcano. They still fought him.

Clottey? I'll give Manny credit for the fight, but everyone in boxing knew what was coming. Everyone expected Clottey to shell up and take hits, he was taylor made for Pacs style.

Whoever cares to post the video evidence, please do.

You know Phats, you prove yourself a bias nuthugger day in and day out. In your world maybe thats cool. To objective fans its pathetic.

Pac didn't fight Mosley because he wasn't available. He did fight the guy who beat Shane though. What, no credit?

Why fight a non entity in Raheem when you can make a fight for millions and have a trilogy with Morales?

EVERYONE knows Oscar was the golden goose. To ridicule Pac when Oscar openly pushed for this fight is absurd. But hey, keep on hating.

You want to rip Cotto, but you don't take into consideration he was still considered one of the 3 best welters in the world. Kind of funny a certain someone else didn't fight him, huh?

Hatton? Only considered the best fighter at HIS weight. Pull your pants up you bias is showing.

Clottey? A top 5 welter. Its funny, but Pac already has a better welterweight resume than Floyd. What now

[Gutz]

You know Phats, you prove yourself a bias nuthugger day in and day out. In your world maybe thats cool. To objective fans its pathetic.

Pac didn't fight Mosley because he wasn't available. He did fight the guy who beat Shane though. What, no credit?

Why fight a non entity in Raheem when you can make a fight for millions and have a trilogy with Morales?

EVERYONE knows Oscar was the golden goose. To ridicule Pac when Oscar openly pushed for this fight is absurd. But hey, keep on hating.

You want to rip Cotto, but you don't take into consideration he was still considered one of the 3 best welters in the world. Kind of funny a certain someone else didn't fight him, huh?

Hatton? Only considered the best fighter at HIS weight. Pull your pants up you bias is showing.

Clottey? A top 5 welter. Its funny, but Pac already has a better welterweight resume than Floyd. What now

This thread just owned all the *****s..

[HandSpeed303]

Maybe I have a different interpretation of what a boxer is, I never saw Barrera fight a disciplined fight behind a jab going in circles and his legs being the main factor. But we can agree to disagree

Not to be a ****, but that means you saw nothing of Barrera after the 1st Morales fight...

Barrera became a counter puncher for most of his late career. Sure he would still **** if he had to, but most of his fights were controlled with distance, jab, and counter punching...He didn't need his legs for most of those fights. Legs would have helped him against Pac though...Maybe.

[HandSpeed303]

nike he will never answer a straight question. he goes straight into lawyer mode and replies to your question with a question thats his angle

You know there are many, MANY cats on here like that...You should expand your view.

[koboy]

I don't hate Pacquiao, nor am I in love with Mayweather. I don't care for his personal life or his personal decisions, but I enjoy Mayweathers boxing skills.

You don't hate Pacquiao, hence the thread. lol.

If you like Mayweather's boxing skills, as I do, or just boxing in general, then you should make threads about that. It contributes more to the scene. Because, if you don't really care for Pac, love or hate, why the hater thread?

Because it makes you feel good to express your hate towards Pac, yeah? Let it out, bro. Just admit it. You can't stand Manny's rise to the P4P rankings and it's eating away at you.

You can question a lot of things about his rise to the top, but to generalize it as just plain cherrypicking is foolish. If you examine all other fighters' career, you can almost say that they cherrypicked at one point. But this thread is directed towards your need to feed your hate for Manny Pacquiao and it makes you feel good.

That's fine if you believe that he's on PEDs, but c'mon "roiding bastard", that's pure hate, SONNY!

Just admit it, people will respect you more.

And just to address your hater thread, no, he doesn't get a pass. Especially, when we have posters like you around.

Both PBF and PAC get the same love and hate around here, but I can't stand people who have no balls to admit it.

[eazy_mas]

Honestly, I'm curious. Around these boards other boxers are constantly bashed about cherry picking, but no one, Pac fan or otherwise can claim Team Pac has done any different from these fighters they claimed have taken the easy road?

For example, Pac hardly gets any criticism for not fighting Mosely when his camp openly ducked him. I don't get it?

Same for Raheem. Raheem dominates Erik Morales for 11 out of 12 rounds, and instead of fighting Raheem, Manny fights a shot Morales.

You want to talk about cherry picking?

By Roach's own admission DLH was a dead man walking whom no longer desired to fight when he was matched up against Manny. He was literally drained and dehydrated, and this came straight from the mouth of Pacs camp.

Cotto? Again by team Pacs admission, Cotto was damaged goods who'd had his career ruined by Margarito. Did that stop them from fighting and hyping the fight? Nope.

Hatton? Again, by Team Pacs own admission, he'd been ruined by Mayweather, and was coming off a fight where he'd been brutalized by Lazcano. They still fought him.

Clottey? I'll give Manny credit for the fight, but everyone in boxing knew what was coming. Everyone expected Clottey to shell up and take hits, he was taylor made for Pacs style.

Whoever cares to post the video evidence, please do.

There is a certain time when you reach to the top of the boxign ladder you cherry pick you opponnet, Suger Ray Lenorad did it. Oscar did it Hopkins did it and Floyd does it.

People are cheering for pac because many believe he is the only one capable of beating the much hated villan Floyd.

I believe the person who was most capable of beating Floyd was Kostya Tzyu

[jr2122]

Really he wasn't? Were you watching boxing closely during those times? D

He may not have been "shot", but his career had definetely peaked already. His hands were not as fast, and therefore his counter-punching and that powerful left hook were not always on target. And mexican fighters are not the biggest fans of defense. So when it came to pacquiao, he had a hard time with his head movement and his punches. But, mainly from a business point of view if you're trying to build a fighter, you're not gonna put him in with a super star in his prime.