Mayweather v Mosley : How can Mosley beat Mayweather realistically..

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IMO, this will be a very difficult fight for shane....not saying it'll be easy for floyd, but many ppl think it'll be tough for him.

i think it'll be easier for floyd than ppl think, and much more difficult for shane. watching the judah fight (and not comparing the style to mosley's) but i saw that once judah's speed began giving floyd problems, floyd decided to get closer, and once he wore zab down and neutralized the speed, floyd backed off, boxed, and landed first.

floyd likes to fight at a distance when his speed can really be used to his advantage solely. mosley is fast, but not as fast as he used to be, so i don't think his speed will cause mayweather too many problems....hence, floyd will want the fight "outside," where his speed can be utilized to the fullest.

i think mosley's best chance may be to keep the fight in a "phonebooth" so to speak. he has to make it ugly, and do a bit of holding when he gets off, not allowing mayweather to get off. chasing floyd, or trying to overwhelm him, will onl play into mayweather's hands, b/c he'll simply counter the slower fighter all night, and move away just in time to be able to keep the fight at a distance.

oscar had some success b/c he has a great jab, which used properly, can nullify movement and speed. i don't view shane as being a great jabber, so unless he develops one over the next 6 weeks, that plan is out the window.

marquez had no success with floyd. it got to the point where floyd just stood in front of him, hands down, knowing marquez was too slow, and he was fast enough to elude marquez whenever he threw.

so IMO, shane has to keep it close, and do a lot of holding, and i know ppl won't like that, but shane has to make it an "ugly" fight, if he has any chance of beating the pretty boy.

yea I ment only DLH had success, Marquez didn't he he was getting outclassed.

I also agree he has to get ugly and do holding and such but coming in with that gameplan could be very risky and a waste of an opportunity because at the end of the night all we could see is Mosley coming in getting hit clean and holding on throwing blind body shots that just get nullified, this tactic could prove costly maybe if it was a plan B it would be more effective.

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How do we know Floyd is bringing his A-game? He is 33, more inactive than Shane and hasn't fought a legit welter in four years, let alone one as good as Shane. You're basing quite a bit on a Floyd that you haven't seen.

I don't put into question whether Floyd brings his A-game or not because its self evident in what he does (40-0) and what he says, no one here questions can Floyd beat this person or this person because he is the man to beat.

Apart from having a punchers chance what can Mosley do to beat Floyd by KO because a UD would be pretty spectacular.

Floyd can beat Shane Mosley by taking the first couple of rounds to analyse the fight ahead and test shanes speed, movement & most likely power, while forcing himself to get a number of clean shots on Mosleys face and body to take the rounds.

Once this is done the fight will follow the pattern of straight rights, lunging left hooks and utilizing a solid defence while countering a rash Mosley.

You can all think Shane is going to come in like the Terminator soak up Floyds pillow punchers (yea right) and then execute bombs to the body but in reality I predict Shane will be cautious to get in range and throw for the first rounds and then get himself in a habit of this.

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I don't put into question whether Floyd brings his A-game or not because its self evident in what he does (40-0) and what he says, no one here questions can Floyd beat this person or this person because he is the man to beat.

Ugh. I was really hoping you weren't a fanatic. Pointing to an unbeaten record is irrelevant. Everyone is capable of losing. And it's highly possible that Mayweather's A-Game ain't quite the same at this stage.

Apart from having a punchers chance what can Mosley do to beat Floyd by KO because a UD would be pretty spectacular.

Why would a UD be pretty spectacular? Jose Louis Castillo came awfully close once and hung tough with Floyd extremely well the second time. He isn't a boxer is he?

Floyd can beat Shane Mosley by taking the first couple of rounds to analyse the fight ahead and test shanes speed, movement & most likely power, while forcing himself to get a number of clean shots on Mosleys face and body to take the rounds.

Or Shane could do the same.

Once this is done the fight will follow the pattern of straight rights, lunging left hooks and utilizing a solid defence while countering a rash Mosley.

Ditto.

You can all think Shane is going to come in like the Terminator soak up Floyds pillow punchers (yea right) and then execute bombs to the body but in reality I predict Shane will be cautious to get in range and throw for the first rounds and then get himself in a habit of this.

I never said that. But for your sake, I sure hope Floyd can soak up Shane's or we may need people on guard to surround you.

[TheKza]

It''s quite simple. shane needs to KO Floyd.Throw as many haymakers as possible. Because we all know he has no chance of winning on decision.

[fabie]

Mayweather is a phenomenally gifted boxer coupled with his techniques...

I think that no one can hit him:

• from a distance, meaning from a jab range simply because of his footwork while his positioning/hand placement/techniques wouldn't allow for an opponent (orthodox) to throw his RIGHT CROSS.

It is too telepathically obvious for Mayweather because he can:

• SHOULDER ROLL (with the rear hand parry)
• FADE
• DUCK
• move to his lateral left or right
• move backwards

Having said that...MOSLEY can't use the typical 1-2 (LEFT JAB-RIGHT CROSS) from a typical range. For that to connect there has to be a "bridge"....something transitional.

MAYWEATHER is susceptible of getting hit from SOUTHPAW's LEFT CROSS (see JUDAH fight) though obviously it has to be well-timed. I think that LEFT HOOKS (not from the jab range) is of another....meaning from a close range.

The main key is the "bridge" (see JEET KUNE DO)

Mosley's Left Hooks are not tight either, he brings it too wide or his right crosses. Having said that, I think that it would be hard or very difficult to time a LEFT on Mayweather.

HOW THEN?

MAYWEATHER is a master at countering his opponent's left jab with a simple:

• half-step (back) then with his accurate RIGHT CROSS then ducking or rolling underneath it. (See Marquez fight where it is more accentuated since Marquez is too slow for him).

Therefore it is highly contingent for MOSLEY to draw MAYWEATHER to throw his RIGHT CROSS then:

• do a lateral movement to the left and execute a LEFT HOOK to the body and/or LEFT HOOK to the head.

But that would be very difficult since MAYWEATHER is a counter puncher with his RIGHT CROSS.

Another one I see is MOSLEY's LEAD RIGHTS just to offset the typical and obvious 1-2 (left jab and right cross). LEAD RIGHTs then followed with the LEFT HOOK.

And so with the ever elusive MAYWEATHER these punches should be well-timed and followed up with a combination to bring him down. Odds are very slim but still there for MOSLEY.

My best bet is Pacquiao being an unorthodox (Southpaw) and his high-volume/high pressure style but still not an easy task.

So how do I see this fight?

• If the typical Mosley vs Mayweather...I see a UD for Mayweather. Mosley has to have the unpredictable footwork, lateral movement and a countering LEFTs (and rights) to catch Mayweather flatfooted.

MOSLEY MUST CUT OFF THE RING to Mayweather's RIGHT (past his right cross) while also CUTTING Mayweather's LEFT to get away from his crosses and his lunging LEFT HOOKS.

Therefore the CUT RIGHT or CUT LEFT should be quick, decisive and with combinations of punches to offset MAYWEATHER's balance. Something that Pacquiao had in his attributes.

But a well-timed LEFT HOOK and CROSS can drop MAYWEATHER seeing that MOSLEY is that good.

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Ugh. I was really hoping you weren't a fanatic. Pointing to an unbeaten record is irrelevant. Everyone is capable of losing. And it's highly possible that Mayweather's A-Game ain't quite the same at this stage.


Why would a UD be pretty spectacular? Jose Louis Castillo came awfully close once and hung tough with Floyd extremely well the second time. He isn't a boxer is he?

Or Shane could do the same.


Ditto.


I never said that. But for your sake, I sure hope Floyd can soak up Shane's or we may need people on guard to surround you.

Pointing to an unbeaten record isn't irrelevant because you questioned Floyd s A-game which is laughable considering his mass accomplishments over 5 weight classes, so that argument is out the window There is nothing that would suggest him not bringing his best even thought you might hope.

If I am a fanatic then you are delusional if you think Mosley is going to out-floyd Floyd by outpointing him.

Also pointing to a fight with Castillo 8 years ago is weak I could do the same for Shanes 5 loses, and his gifted wins (DLH).

Once again, how is Mosley going to beat Floyd without answering questions with questions.

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It''s quite simple. shane needs to KO Floyd.Throw as many haymakers as possible. Because we all know he has no chance of winning on decision.

Agreed, but someone suggested Shane Mosley is going to Potshot Floyd all night, hilarious.

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Pointing to an unbeaten record isn't irrelevant because you questioned Floyd s A-game which is laughable considering his mass accomplishments over 5 weight classes, so that argument is out the window There is nothing that would suggest him not bringing his best even thought you might hope.

Ummm yeah. I didn't say he wouldn't bring his A-game. I said at 33, having been as inactive as he's been, and facing his first real welter in four years, his A-game may not be what it once was.

If I am a fanatic then you are delusional if you think Mosley is going to out-floyd Floyd by outpointing him.

I haven't made a pick for this fight but if Shane winning by decision is definitely a possibility; especially against a fighter like Floyd who takes a while to get going.

Also pointing to a fight with Castillo 8 years ago is weak I could do the same for Shanes 5 loses, and his gifted wins (DLH).

Exactly. In other words, anything is possible.

Once again, how is Mosley going to beat Floyd without answering questions with questions.

Jab and workrate. Two key factors going into this bout. If Shane can keep up both, he'll have a great chance to win.

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Mayweather is a phenomenally gifted boxer coupled with his techniques...

I think that no one can hit him:

• from a distance, meaning from a jab range simply because of his footwork while his positioning/hand placement/techniques wouldn't allow for an opponent (orthodox) to throw his RIGHT CROSS.

It is too telepathically obvious for Mayweather because he can:

• SHOULDER ROLL (with the rear hand parry)
• FADE
• DUCK
• move to his lateral left or right
• move backwards

Having said that...MOSLEY can't use the typical 1-2 (LEFT JAB-RIGHT CROSS) from a typical range. For that to connect there has to be a "bridge"....something transitional.

MAYWEATHER is susceptible of getting hit from SOUTHPAW's LEFT CROSS (see JUDAH fight) though obviously it has to be well-timed. I think that LEFT HOOKS (not from the jab range) is of another....meaning from a close range.

The main key is the "bridge" (see JEET KUNE DO)

Mosley's Left Hooks are not tight either, he brings it too wide or his right crosses. Having said that, I think that it would be hard or very difficult to time a LEFT on Mayweather.

HOW THEN?

MAYWEATHER is a master at countering his opponent's left jab with a simple:

• half-step (back) then with his accurate RIGHT CROSS then ducking or rolling underneath it. (See Marquez fight where it is more accentuated since Marquez is too slow for him).

Therefore it is highly contingent for MOSLEY to draw MAYWEATHER to throw his RIGHT CROSS then:

• do a lateral movement to the left and execute a LEFT HOOK to the body and/or LEFT HOOK to the head.

But that would be very difficult since MAYWEATHER is a counter puncher with his RIGHT CROSS.

Another one I see is MOSLEY's LEAD RIGHTS just to offset the typical and obvious 1-2 (left jab and right cross). LEAD RIGHTs then followed with the LEFT HOOK.

And so with the ever elusive MAYWEATHER these punches should be well-timed and followed up with a combination to bring him down. Odds are very slim but still there for MOSLEY.

My best bet is Pacquiao being an unorthodox (Southpaw) and his high-volume/high pressure style but still not an easy task.

So how do I see this fight?

• If the typical Mosley vs Mayweather...I see a UD for Mayweather. Mosley has to have the unpredictable footwork, lateral movement and a countering LEFTs (and rights) to catch Mayweather flatfooted.

MOSLEY MUST CUT OFF THE RING to Mayweather's RIGHT (past his right cross) while also CUTTING Mayweather's LEFT to get away from his crosses and his lunging LEFT HOOKS.

Therefore the CUT RIGHT or CUT LEFT should be quick, decisive and with combinations of punches to offset MAYWEATHER's balance. Something that Pacquiao had in his attributes.

But a well-timed LEFT HOOK and CROSS can drop MAYWEATHER seeing that MOSLEY is that good.

Awesome post, and I agree because we both said Mosley has to be unpredictable, a counter to his lunging left hook that Floyd throws would be good but I think Mayweather will only throw it in the later rounds or when hes figured out Mosley is somewhat limited.

Floyd was cautious against Marquez so we can say that Floyd will be even more cautious to Mosley and won't take risks.

[Deevel916]

Realistically, Shane has a chance to beat Floyd by outworking him. Its no secret that Floyd has a very passive offense. Shane just needs to go in and outwork Floyd. Punch him on the arms, shoulders, etc... I dont see Floyd mixing it up with the much more powerfull Shane. Floyd will remain defensive and try and pick his shots here and there.