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  • -Nova-
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    #11
    Originally posted by ИATAS206
    Ratings structure

    All these ratings evaluate every day all bouts in the database in chronological sequence. A higher rated boxer should be expected to defeat a lower rated boxer with increasing probability by increasing rating difference.
    Current ("Active") rating

    1. Every boxer gets a first rating of 0 before his first bout.
    2. After every bout, the ratings of the two boxers involved are changed depending on the bout's official result (KO, TKO, RTD, UD, PTS, NWS, MD, SD, DQ, TD, DRAW).
    3. The value of a result varies between v=1 and v=0.
    4. The clear decision factor varies between cd=1 and cd=0.
    5. The winner cannot lose points for KO, TKO, RTD, DQ, TD and decisions on points with cd=1
    6. KO, TKO, RTD are rewarded with full value v=1, cd=1.
    7. NWS is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=1.
    8. UD, PTS are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed, clear decision factor cd=1. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
    9. DRAW is rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.
    10. MD, SD, DQ, TD are rewarded with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more and a lower value related to the number of rounds boxed. Clear decision factor cd=0.5. This is valid, if the score cards are not available.
    11. If the score cards are available, the value rewarded is in relation to the rounds boxed, with full value v=1 for 12 rounds boxed and more. The clear decision factor is in proportion to rounds boxed and the mean score difference per judge. cd=1 for mean score difference divided by a sixth of rounds boxed greater or equal 1.
    12. All bouts are regarded to have the same weight independent of titles.
    13. The winner gets a certain part of the opponent's points and a certain part of the rating difference to the opponent's rating.
    14. The winner gets at maximum 50 additional points. The 50 additional points are reduced by half the rating difference between the winner and the loser and by half of the own rating. The maximum of 50 points is only awarded, if the defeated opponent has 5 wins at minimum. In other cases the amount is reduced in relation to the number of wins.
    15. For a DRAW the rating of the higher rated boxer is reduced by some part of the point difference; the rating of the lower rated boxer is enhanced by the same amount of points.
    16. The full relative point reward is 33%. It is in relation to the pre-bout rating of the defeated opponent.
    17. The ratings are decreased for moving up to higher weight divisions by the square of the reciprocal ratio of the weights limits of the divisions--and they are increased by the same factor for moving down the divisions.
    18. The ratings are equalized between division clusters in relation to average points of the boxers ranked #8, #9, #10, #11 and #12 in a division cluster. The division clusters are heavyweight including cruiserweight, light heavyweight indluding super middleweight, middleweight indcluding light middleweight, welterweight including light welterweight, lightweight including super featherweight, featherweight including super bantamweight, bantamweight including super flyweight and flyweight including light flyweight an minimumweight.
    19. The rating of a boxer is reduced by 0% to 50%, if he didn't box an opponent with a rating of at least 50% to 0% of his own rating points within 18 months.
    20. The rating of a boxer is reduced by 50% for every time period of inactivity of 18 months.
    21. The pre-bout rating of a boxer successfully returning from inactivity is set to the lower value of his opponents pre-bout rating and his own rating before inactivity.
    22. The pre-bout rating of a successfully debuting boxer is set to 25% of his opponents pre-bout rating.


    Formula

    If a boxer with a rating of r_a before the fight defeats a boxer b with a rating of r_b before the fight with result of value v and clear decision factor cd, the new ratings new_a and new_b after a fight are, earn_f is 33.3%:

    * earn= earn_f * v * ($r_b*cd + (r_b-r_a)/(1+2*cd));
    * new_a= r_a + earn;
    * new_b= r_b - earn;


    Examples

    Boxer a KO boxer b, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points. v=1, cd=1

    * earn= 0.33 * 1 * (500*1 + (500-1000)/(1+2*1)) = 111
    * r_a_new = 1000 + 111 = 1111
    * r_b_new = 500 - 111 = 389

    Boxer a UD 6 boxer b, scores 59:55 58:56 58:56, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points.

    * A 6 rounder is rewarded with value 6/12, v=0.5
    * UD is rewarded with cd=1 at maximum
    * mean score difference per judge is (4+2+2)/3 = 2.667, which is rewarded in relation to half the rounds boxed with cd= 2.667/3 = 0.89 at maximum
    * so cd=0.89

    * earn= 0.33 * 0.5 * (500*0.89 + (500-1000)/(1+2*0.89)) = 44
    * r_a_new = 1000 + 44 = 1044
    * r_b_new = 500 - 44 = 456


    Boxer a SD 4 boxer b, scores 39:37 39:37 37:39, a has 1000 points, b has 500 points

    * A 4 rounder is rewarded with 4/12, v=0.333
    * SD is rewarded with cd=0.5 at maximum
    * mean score difference per judge is (2+2-2)/3 = 0.667, which is rewarded in relation to half the rounds boxed 0.667/2 at maximum\
    * so cd=0.333

    * earn= 0.33 * 0.33 * (500*0.33 + (500-1000)/(1+2*0.33)) = -15
    * r_a_new = 1000 - 15 = 985
    * r_b_new = 500 + 15 = 515


    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ratings
    This is precisley why its ******ed. They don't look at the skills or even the fight. Just pure data, which isn't what fighters are. They aren't machines, they're people to be analyzed and studied on why they are good. Bhop didn't sweep Ornelas in their fight, it was close for the first half, and who the **** is he. That was only semi-dominance, he aint shown nothin to make me say he's better than roy jones

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    • BritishBoxing92
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      #12
      Originally posted by popsikal
      How can you put Roy ahead the top WWs???? Bhop is in no way shape or form #1 fighter in the world.....And Roy will whoop that ass, Boxrec is outta control.
      roy just got ktfo in the 1st round by a bum named danny green...and you think roys gonna beat Bernard Hopkins after that??

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        #13
        Originally posted by BritishBoxing92
        roy just got ktfo in the 1st round by a bum named danny green...and you think roys gonna beat Bernard Hopkins after that??
        That's because he probably didn't know since he only watches pac highlights on youtube. This is news to him lol. I'm a big RJJ fan though. I wish he would retire and stop damaging his legacy on the p4p list. Losing to Danny Green probably did irreparable damage in the eyes of the casual fans.

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          #14
          Originally posted by popsikal
          This is precisley why its ******ed. They don't look at the skills or even the fight. Just pure data, which isn't what fighters are. They aren't machines, they're people to be analyzed and studied on why they are good. Bhop didn't sweep Ornelas in their fight, it was close for the first half, and who the **** is he. That was only semi-dominance, he aint shown nothin to make me say he's better than roy jones
          why do you even care though? There are tons of other places that do the exact opposite, they used strictly opinion. boxrec uses a complex computer program so that it is completely unbiased. Flawed or not it is unbiased, and that's the entire point.

          For the most part their top 20 list isn't all that bad though and it's arguably better than some other opinion based pound 4 pound lists (the **** is mythical anyway, which again begs the question, 'why do you care?').

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            #15
            Originally posted by popsikal
            This is precisley why its ******ed. They don't look at the skills or even the fight. Just pure data, which isn't what fighters are. They aren't machines, they're people to be analyzed and studied on why they are good. Bhop didn't sweep Ornelas in their fight, it was close for the first half, and who the **** is he. That was only semi-dominance, he aint shown nothin to make me say he's better than roy jones
            I think doing it by the numbers and stats without human bias, is the fairest way to go. Instead of a popularity contest where guys pick based on their man crushes.

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              #16
              Originally posted by flexxx145
              That's because he probably didn't know since he only watches pac highlights on youtube. This is news to him lol. I'm a big RJJ fan though. I wish he would retire and stop damaging his legacy on the p4p list. Losing to Danny Green probably did irreparable damage in the eyes of the casual fans.
              im not a Manny Pacqiuao Fan...

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                #17
                Everyone knows boxrec has the worst system. Move along, folks.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by BritishBoxing92
                  roy just got ktfo in the 1st round by a bum named danny green...and you think roys gonna beat Bernard Hopkins after that??
                  First of all it was an illegal shot to the back of the head that ****ed up roy. But lets look at roy before that shot in the first minute of that fight he was pop shotting green wit lighting hands, and he made Lacy look like an ametuer, something Bhop couldn't do to Ornales. Roy will win guaranteed. Bhop has nothing for him in all seriousness.....don't forget what happened the first time, roy outclassed him then, and will again

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by popsikal
                    First of all it was an illegal shot to the back of the head that ****ed up roy. But lets look at roy before that shot in the first minute of that fight he was pop shotting green wit lighting hands, and he made Lacy look like an ametuer, something Bhop couldn't do to Ornales. Roy will win guaranteed. Bhop has nothing for him in all seriousness.....don't forget what happened the first time, roy outclassed him then, and will again
                    You're 18 years old, still just a pup. Don't be too optimistic with Roy, even his biggest fans have learned to accept this. He hasn't beat at an elite fighter in many years.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED
                      Everyone knows boxrec has the worst system. Move along, folks.
                      I was talking about popsikal if you read my comment you would know that.

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