Why Mayweather's Defense is more effective than Clottey's.

[Chief2ndzOnly!]

WTF are u talking about???

Forgive him for he knows not what he speaks.

[illmatickid]

THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLOTTEY AND MAYWEATHER's DEFENSE:

against a guy like manny clottey's stationary shell defense is suicide,..and it was

however floyd's elusive shoulder roll defense creates more openings for him to counter,

ALSO
here's the thing. when clottey fights, sure his defense is great BUT his opponents LAND MORE THAN HE DOES,
where as floyd..his defense is there, BUT HE LANDS more than his opponent

[Siggy]

Mayweather's physical attributes like his speed and reflexes also play a huge role in his defense

i think there's a smaller margin for error when a defensive fighter relies more on his reflexes as opposed to an immovable shell defense.
that margin for error becomes even smaller when the opponent has fast hands, punches in combination, can punch from any angle, has accuracy and has power in both hands.

floyd better hope that his counters do damage becuz on defense he'll have to fight an almost perfect fight in order not to get caught on the tail end of those combos.

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[Baracka Flocka]

Clottey was just pretending. Floyd got hurt many times thats why he needed 2 year vacation to heal his body.

Yes, Floyd took time off to heal is body; this is true. However, it wasn't a matter of his defensive or lack there of.
It was more of a matter of his hands which have nothing to do with defense. It was just training wear and tear.

Floyd hasn't even received as much as a bloody nose and I've never EVER seen him cut or bruised.

[jasbar]

Yes, Floyd took time off to heal is body; this is true. However, it wasn't a matter of his defensive or lack there of.
It was more of a matter of his hands which have nothing to do with defense. It was just training wear and tear.

Floyd hasn't even received as much as a bloody nose and I've never EVER seen him cut or bruised.

How about the broken rib? Floyds body is fragile while Clotteys body is solid as steel. This alone is enough to conclude that clottteys defense is better.

[Lead Cenobite]

Yes, Clottey neutralized Pacquiao's offense to only land 20 percent of his 1200+ punches. However, the difference between Mayweather's Defense and Clottey's comes down to one thing.


Countering.

I did not see a single counter punch from Clottey. His Defense was Defense only. Clottey could never throw a punch from his guard, Either he was on defense (which was 95% of the time) or he was on offense.


Floyd who is now mostly a defensive fighter can at least throw punches out of his defense on a reflextive instinct. He can guard just as good as Clottey but throw way more punches.
Also Floyd difference isn't just limited to a cover up, or shoulder roll. He has something that Clottey has never had and that is movement and footwork.

Just something to think about when people believe a high workrate is the best way to beat a defensive fighter. It may beat up Winky Wright (Paul Williams) or make a Clottey look timid (Pacquiao) but it will have a limited effect on the Mayweather style defense.

It's scary that the level of boxing IQ has gotten so low on this board, that someone felt that a thread like this HAD TO BE MADE.

[Baracka Flocka]

It's scary that the level of boxing IQ has gotten so low on this board, that someone felt that a thread like this HAD TO BE MADE.

Sad but true. I like to know exactly how many posters have actually been in the ring themselves instead of being tards and mos.

[madsweeney]

Clottey's defence and Mayweathers defence is completely different.

Clottey is a shell, tight as hell, hands high and elbows tucked in. His defence is based on covering himself up and because of his natural strength and body type this defence works well for him.

Mayweathers defence is based on head movement, reflexes, footwork and body movement, plus his guard is alot more open than Clotteys meaning it is easier for him to counter.

Just because they are both classed as 'defensive' fighters you cant really compare them to each other.

Well said. In respect though, they both have their pro's and cons' Clottey's defensive shell requires great physical strenght and forces the defender to give up their mobility/vision and absorb some damage (still hurts gettin hit on the arms).

Mayweather's defense has teh benefit of potentially tiring out the attacker as they are forced to waste energy both on the punch and stopping it, however, it relies too much on reaction timing and speed and can be countered by proper feinting.

People are seeming to forget that Floyd has typically employed a high guard against southpaws in the past so really, this fight may give a little more insight than you think.

[Baracka Flocka]

How about the broken rib? Floyds body is fragile while Clotteys body is solid as steel. This alone is enough to conclude that clottteys defense is better.

having a solid body doesn't equate a good defense.
and Mayweather breaking his rib in training. So what. You train you spar for several hours a week, theres times where something is bound to happen once in a while. I broke my hand on a heavy bag once. It happens.

[htown00]

How about the broken rib? Floyds body is fragile while Clotteys body is solid as steel. This alone is enough to conclude that clottteys defense is better.

what??...I'm pretty sure Clottey is more solid than Whitaker was too...does that make him better than Pea defensively