The gap between Pac and Clottey was conditioning, not skill

[Glamour Puss]

I wanted to talk strategy fellas'. I don't wanna make this personal or about JMM/Pac.

Damn.

[The Noose]

If Clottey had world class stamina and threw 100 punches a round, he would've stopped pac imo.

Pac looked extremely weary at times when Clottey would let his hands go.

In order to beat Packy, you must come ready to throw 100+ punches a round, or be a master assassin counter puncher like JMM who was so good he made Packy gun shy about throwing punches like Clottey allowed him to.

What do ya'll think?

IMO Clottey believed Pac would fade late.

It wasnt stamina. Clottey threw very little throughout the fight, not just at the end.


Roy Jones opponents threw much less against him because they were intimidated by his speed. Its the same with Pac.
Clottey was intimidated by his speed, power, range of punches and movement.

Plus Pac never faded.

I dont think he looked weary. He needed a breather a few times, but thats because he is only human.

[Black dude]

If Clottey had world class stamina and threw 100 punches a round, he would've stopped pac imo.

Pac looked extremely weary at times when Clottey would let his hands go.

In order to beat Packy, you must come ready to throw 100+ punches a round, or be a master assassin counter puncher like JMM who was so good he made Packy gun shy about throwing punches like Clottey allowed him to.

What do ya'll think?

Maybe Pacman was using some sort of "Homemade blend" type supplements....

I have never seen pacman fight anyone really tall like Mayweahter has....why not?

[Shazam!]

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Face it man, if Clottey threw like Margarito he would've had Pac outta there.[/QUOTE]

Sorry man, not just disagreeing for the sake of it here but I think you're looking at it too black and white. I can see where you're coming from but...

If Clottey threw more punches he would have been more open to shots. That's exactly the reason he didn't throw more punches. I think he had the energy to throw more, but he didn't want to get in to a war with Pacquiao.

If you get in to a war with Pacquiao he'll probably land more and beat you down because he's faster. Marquez was pretty quick when he fought Pac at 135, which gave him a chance. Also, Marquez is a more skilled fighter than Clottey. Despite all these factors, Pac still came out on top and, as mentioned, I think the 2010 version of Pacquiao would do Marquez 08 more convincingly because he's improved even since then.

[Dirt McGirt]

I know you dont like Floyd but even you have to admit when he starts popping that right hand lead. Its curtains.

He'll have success with that right hand, but if he wants to beat Pacquiao he's goina have to come up with more than that. He doesn't have the power to trouble Pacquiao, so he's goina have to throw counters followed up with combinations, but thats goina leave him open. Tough one to call really, but I dont think Mayweather will take the risks he needs to, he knows he's in trouble if he lets Pac unleash those combinations, so he'll stay defensive.

[SkillspayBills]

So you are saying if Clottey was something he totally isn't he would have won? Ok. You either have to outpunch Pac(not likely) or make him pay whenever he throws. Styles make fights.

[FLY TY]

had nothing to do with conditioning. it was all about strategy and styles. pac's style is all wrong for clottey's.

[Glamour Puss]

Sorry man, not just disagreeing for the sake of it here but I think you're looking at it too black and white. I can see where you're coming from but...

If Clottey threw more punches he would have been more open to shots. That's exactly the reason he didn't throw more punches. I think he had the energy to throw more, but he didn't want to get in to a war with Pacquiao.

If you get in to a war with Pacquiao he'll probably land more and beat you down because he's faster. Marquez was pretty quick when he fought Pac at 135, which gave him a chance. Also, Marquez is a more skilled fighter than Clottey. Despite all these factors, Pac still came out on top and, as mentioned, I think the 2010 version of Pacquiao would do Marquez 08 more convincingly because he's improved even since then.

I agree. Its not good to exchange w/ Pac too much. But it wouldn't have hurt Clottey to throw more.

When you fight Pac you gotta pick your shots carefully though.

[street bully]

I agree. Its not good to exchange w/ Pac too much. But it wouldn't have hurt Clottey to throw more.

When you fight Pac you gotta pick your shots carefully though.

Morales has the stamina and chin to outwork pacquiao before he was shot. However, other than Williams no one around his weight can match his output. Also trading with him got Barerra and Hatton KTFO.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Gatti had no skills man. He was just a tough guy.

i said MINDSET. as in throwing punches, wanting to engage & hurt your opponents. Clearly clottey is the more skilled boxer than gatti but he sure could have used gatti's propensity for violence.