Roy Jones vs Clinton Woods? HBO, look to England.

[spinksjinx]

Look fella, I think you need to read my "Equalibrium" post again? Doesn't seem like you understood it.

It's how well your equalibrium works after taking a heavy head shot... If you're fortunate to have it, you'll get up and your head will clear much quicker!

But if you don't, (Like RJJ) you're f**ked... You can't get up!

I read your post, in one thread you said ali had a chin of steel but roy did not and that is what I was referring to.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Uhhmmm...?... When some one says "That guy's got a weak chin"... It doesn't mean literally the guy's chin... It means that his ability to take head shots is not strong.

That's nothing to do with how you get hit... Chin/temple/cheek/straight cross... It's because you lose your equalibrium when you take a head shot.

When you lose your equalibrium it's in the ears... It's your balance, (I won't go to much into it) but it's to do with tenticals that bend through liquid movement in the head, when you drink alcohol or get whacked in the head, the tenticals bend and make you unsteady on your feet. (dizzy)

Having a strong chin (being able to take a shot) is more a medical thing than any other.

[Mr. Ryan]

who's making excuses? Just stating the facts, Roy was past his prime, went up to 199, then came back down to 175, which is an accomplishment in itself, and Tarver and Johnson won legitimately by KO vs. an old & weathered Roy Jones, no excuses just the facts ma'am

Whats with all the nitpicking and all this garbage about Jones doesn't have a bad chin, it was a temple shot, all garbage. The Tarver KO was a chin shot, but since it was a counter, he doesn't have a bad chin. The fact is, Jones got ko'ed twice, not by some young up and comer looking to make his mark, but by 2 guys the same age as himself.

I was reading an article in Ring Magazine evaluating Jones' legacy, and even they stated that his 2 KO's were not seperated from the main part of his career, thus tarnishing the entire career. He was a great fighter, but sometimes when you get hit, you go down and stay down.

P.S.
Maybe he wasn't ko'ed by Johnson, he only got knocked down and the canvas ko'ed him. No excuses in boxing, no excuses.

[Mr. Ryan]

And for those contending that the Woods rematch is simply a tune up, I thought Roy Jones was Super Man? If you are going to call him the greatest, then shouldn't he fight the greatest? His decision to give Woods a rematch is little more than what the Johnson fight was, an attempt to get an alphabelt with little resistance so he can claim he was a 4 time Light Heavyweight Champ.

[Slipx]

Well.

You'd think Woods would be a good opponent for Roy, but I've watched plenty of Woods fights, he has a good chin, the fight'll goto the cards.Now if Woods developed a more powerful punch since the last time I saw him, Roy will be in for a long night without those Jones Jr reflexes.

[spinksjinx]

Uhhmmm...?... When some one says "That guy's got a weak chin"... It doesn't mean literally the guy's chin... It means that his ability to take head shots is not strong.

That's nothing to do with how you get hit... Chin/temple/cheek/straight cross... It's because you lose your equalibrium when you take a head shot.

When you lose your equalibrium it's in the ears... It's your balance, (I won't go to much into it) but it's to do with tenticals that bend through liquid movement in the head, when you drink alcohol or get whacked in the head, the tenticals bend and make you unsteady on your feet. (dizzy)

Having a strong chin (being able to take a shot) is more a medical thing than any other.

To say Ali has a chin of steel and roy doesnt gives me the assumption that since Ali's chin is steel and not his whole head than perhaps you are obviously referring to his chin, when you say "chin of steel"

[Mr. Ryan]

To say Ali has a chin of steel and roy doesnt gives me the assumption that since Ali's chin is steel and not his whole head than perhaps you are obviously referring to his chin, when you say "chin of steel"

Whats with the word games and bull****? Ali stood up to the punches of Foreman, Shavers, Frazier, Liston, Lyle, Quarry, all these guys. He suffered only 1 KO loss in his career, and that was to Holmes after retiring. He took a few early spills in his career, mainly because he was so flighty, but he showed heart and courage, and Jones has showed he has issues getting off the canvas.

[TheKnifeManconi]

okay first of all when you see a guy take a bunch of huge shots and stay on his feet, it isn't always because he can take a punch because of his body makeup, chin or whathaveyou.

in fact, 70% of the time, at least in my opinion, when you see a guy take shot after shot, they are doing just what i do.they are moving their head with the punch, like larry holmes used to do.he had excellent reflexes,right before he'd get punched he'd turn his head,turn with the punch. even if you move your head as you get punched it fourths the power of the shot.this effectively halves the power of the punch about to hit you, makes it feel about like a nerf football hitting you in the face at full speed rather than a gloved fist. check it out I made a movie on the art of taking a punch,fast forward past the first two dorm fights though.


thats how people **** around and get ko'd in the first round,they dont know how to absorb punches.its an art.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...WY2AMVCA3DZEO7N

[spinksjinx]

Whats with the word games and bull****? Ali stood up to the punches of Foreman, Shavers, Frazier, Liston, Lyle, Quarry, all these guys. He suffered only 1 KO loss in his career, and that was to Holmes after retiring. He took a few early spills in his career, mainly because he was so flighty, but he showed heart and courage, and Jones has showed he has issues getting off the canvas.

No word games about it, I am NOT saying Ali doesnt have a chin of steel.

But in regards to his argument he said "Ali has a chin of steel...Roy doesnt"

Well my rebuttle was that Roy was knocked out ONCE from a shot on the chin, and the other was from an acummulation of punches that did NOT land on his chin.

He fires back that he wasn referring to his chin.

I was just stating the obvious, since he said Roy was knocked out twice and had a bad chin.

Does Leonard Dorin or Oscar De la Hoya have bad chins since they were both knocked out?

I realize what he is arguing and is not ****** but he contradicted himself.

[Mr. Ryan]

No word games about it, I am NOT saying Ali doesnt have a chin of steel.

But in regards to his argument he said "Ali has a chin of steel...Roy doesnt"

Well my rebuttle was that Roy was knocked out ONCE from a shot on the chin, and the other was from an acummulation of punches that did NOT land on his chin.

He fires back that he wasn referring to his chin.

I was just stating the obvious, since he said Roy was knocked out twice and had a bad chin.

Does Leonard Dorin or Oscar De la Hoya have bad chins since they were both knocked out?

I realize what he is arguing and is not ****** but he contradicted himself.

Come on, give me a break. Anyone who is overly susceptible to a knock out with a shot to the head has a bad chin. I understand that you are a die hard Jones fan and will do just about anything in your power to defend your hero, but come on! Bringing in the Dorin and De La Hoya ko's as defense was simply ridiculous.

A KO to the head hasn't got anything to do with your chin itself, but the entire head and ability to absorb a shot. The chin is just used as a symbol for that because it is the most vulnerable target on the head. It's even worse for Jones to get ko'ed by a temple shot as that isn't as vulnerable as a chin shot.

You never heard Duran or Chavez talking like this. They came to fight.