Roy Jones vs Clinton Woods? HBO, look to England.

[spinksjinx]

Look fella... It doesn't really matter how someone get's knocked out - whether they got caught flush on the chin, on the temple, on the cheek or a straight cross... It's how your equalibrium deals with it that counts.

And you can't really train that into someone. You either have it or in RJJ's case - you don't.

You are contradicting yourself, you said his chin wasnt steel because he was knocked out twice. Well he wasnt knocked out twice from his chin being checked.

Tarver threw one of the most beautiful left hands and connected, Roys defense was down and he was coming in and Tarver was just a few seconds later and caught him. That is it anybody would get caught with a shot like that considering the circumstances that Jones was in.

Johnson pressured and bullied Jones and broke him down landing punches from his body to his head, he caught him on the top of the head and pushed up on the ropes Glen stepped back and Roy fell. Hardly a chin shot but from being chin checked, Johnson broke Roy down with an accumulation of punches. Nothing chinny about that fight.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Jones wont be coming back, there is to much talent at 175 to keep the division champions busy. Roy is having to much fun announcing and working on his music.

Roy doesnt need to come back, and boxing doesnt need him back.

And you actually believed all the B.S. he said on **********?
"Division is busy enough w/o him!" LOL Yeah OKAY.. here come RJJ the savior!
Give me a break. The supperman came across some kryptonite **** and lost his powers!

I'm surprised The Pretender is not yet saying that Ruiz retired RJJ. As he hasn't been the same ever since that fight.

[Mr. Ryan]

good call, Roy's D and chin were solid for years, but Mother Nature had to catch up to Superman at one point or another....not to act "Pretender-ish" but I do believe that a few of the right hands that Ruiz landed vs. Jones did some serious long-term damage, and then Tarver and Glencoffe came in to demolish the damaged goods, going back down to 175 was a big mistake in retrospect, losing 24 lbs of muscle is very unhealthy

In boxing, there are no excuses. He got ko'ed legitimately by Tarver and Johnson.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I ain't diss-respecting Roy Jones... I think he was a special talent. The thing is, with his style he never really got caught with punches much untill later on in his career.

I don't think we ever really knew if he had the chin or not untill the 2000's onwards, coz' he didn't really get hit much.

I do think that he had a slight "Heir of invinsibility" that made others fight him very cautiously... And I think Tarver ignored it and went to Roy throwing bombs! Which we've learnt is the way to beat RJJ.

[BadMagick]

good call, Roy's D and chin were solid for years, but Mother Nature had to catch up to Superman at one point or another....not to act "Pretender-ish" but I do believe that a few of the right hands that Ruiz landed vs. Jones did some serious long-term damage, and then Tarver and Glencoffe came in to demolish the damaged goods, going back down to 175 was a big mistake in retrospect, losing 24 lbs of muscle is very unhealthy

18 pounds. He lost 18 pounds. He weighed in at 193 for the Ruiz fight.

In boxing, there are no excuses. He got ko'ed legitimately by Tarver and Johnson.

No one is denying that they were legitimate. Roy's chin isn't what got him KOed in the second fight. It was A) a temple shot, and B) he had taken a lot of abuse for 8 of 9 rounds. The Tarver shot, he just got caught, it happens.

Roy isn't the same fighter he was, because he's older and slower. Taking on Woods is NOT cowardly, it's a warm up. You can't take almost a year off, then go right back to the top of your game.

[SacTown1]

In boxing, there are no excuses. He got ko'ed legitimately by Tarver and Johnson.

who's making excuses? Just stating the facts, Roy was past his prime, went up to 199, then came back down to 175, which is an accomplishment in itself, and Tarver and Johnson won legitimately by KO vs. an old & weathered Roy Jones, no excuses just the facts ma'am

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

1) Tarver would not have been able to do what he did if RJJ and him had fought even just 2-3 years earlier.

2) Jones' chin was tested enough to see that it was not "weak". It might be "weak" now, but it has not been that way in the past.

[SacTown1]

18 pounds. He lost 18 pounds. He weighed in at 193 for the Ruiz fight.



No one is denying that they were legitimate. Roy's chin isn't what got him KOed in the second fight. It was A) a temple shot, and B) he had taken a lot of abuse for 8 of 9 rounds. The Tarver shot, he just got caught, it happens.

Roy isn't the same fighter he was, because he's older and slower. Taking on Woods is NOT cowardly, it's a warm up. You can't take almost a year off, then go right back to the top of your game.

Does that make the story any different? Sorry, 18 lbs not 24, big deal, the facts remain the same either way you slice it, Roy didn't have 2 pounds of fat to lose, let alone 18-24, it was all muscle

[spinksjinx]

18 pounds. He lost 18 pounds. He weighed in at 193 for the Ruiz fight.

With shoes and clothes on right?

Vdiary-No but what I think he meant was that there are a lot of tough guys at 175 who will give the current champions a run for there money and is no need to come back with the decent competition their.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

You are contradicting yourself, you said his chin wasnt steel because he was knocked out twice. Well he wasnt knocked out twice from his chin being checked.

Tarver threw one of the most beautiful left hands and connected, Roys defense was down and he was coming in and Tarver was just a few seconds later and caught him. That is it anybody would get caught with a shot like that considering the circumstances that Jones was in.

Johnson pressured and bullied Jones and broke him down landing punches from his body to his head, he caught him on the top of the head and pushed up on the ropes Glen stepped back and Roy fell. Hardly a chin shot but from being chin checked, Johnson broke Roy down with an accumulation of punches. Nothing chinny about that fight.

Look fella, I think you need to read my "Equalibrium" post again? Doesn't seem like you understood it.

It's how well your equalibrium works after taking a heavy head shot... If you're fortunate to have it, you'll get up and your head will clear much quicker!

But if you don't, (Like RJJ) you're f**ked... You can't get up!