Roy Jones vs Clinton Woods? HBO, look to England.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Well yeah but thats what Im saying. He needs to learn how to do something else in order to prevent getting KO'ed. Just look at James Toney and Hopkins in their old age. They are using defense and styles that make them succeed against younger opponents. Although he doesn't have the granite chin, Roy needs to find something similar to help him win.

Yeah... I reckon RJJ could adopt the defensive/counter punching style that Bernard Hopkins has.

Mind you, I think RJJ likes to be the entertainer, and you don't win fans with Hopkins negative style...

[Bombardier]

Remember when Jones fought Woods the first time? The best thing Larry Merchant could come up with to say about Woods was that he was "a former hard drinker". Thats some ****ed up ****. I still say Jones wins by UD in a boring, cautious fight.

I would agree, especially in light of some of the other "comebacks" we have seen recently (I'm thinking of Vargas and Mosley in particular here). There's no question that Jones will still be feeling the damage inflicted upon him and will take it easy. I'm sure he's thinking of wins now, not flashy KOs.

I think Jones really wants to go out on his terms, not by being knocked out two times in a row. Of course there's a good chance that this might not work out for him even if he does come back.

[Guest]

Remember when Jones fought Woods the first time? The best thing Larry Merchant could come up with to say about Woods was that he was "a former hard drinker". Thats some ****ed up ****. I still say Jones wins by UD in a boring, cautious fight.

Yeah, but that's because US commentators never have anything nice to say about Limeys.


Nah, don't get me wrong, I'd love Roy to come back, and I'm not hyping Clinton. All I'm saying is that Clinton has marginally improved since then... not enough to make any kind of difference against the Roy Jones he fought in September 2002, but enough to KO the Roy who fought Glen Johnson in September 2004.

Incidentally, though I never believe too strongly in triangular logic, since the Jones bout Woods twice went the distance with Johnson, scraping a (controversial) draw in their first meeting.

[spinksjinx]

Yeah, Remember when Ali lost his speed, he had to learn new tactics to continue fighting.

Only Muhammed Ali had a chin of steel!... And Roy doesn't.

Roy got caught with one of the most perfect landing punches in boxing and agaisnt Johnson he went down from a temple shot. We still hardly know anything about Roys' chin.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Roy got caught with one of the most perfect landing punches in boxing and agaisnt Johnson he went down from a temple shot. We still hardly know anything about Roys' chin.

I think I'll have to strongly diss-agree with you there...

Guy's like Mayorga have been caught with shots even harder and not flinched...

Roy's chin is suspect... You don't get sparked at the begining of a fight from one punch, then again get knocked unconcious in you next fight etc... If you've got a good chin.

[BadMagick]

I think I'll have to strongly diss-agree with you there...

Guy's like Mayorga have been caught with shots even harder and not flinched...

Roy's chin is suspect... You don't get sparked at the begining of a fight from one punch, then again get knocked unconcious in you next fight etc... If you've got a good chin.

He wasn't hit in the chin on the second. What do you not understand about that?

The first would, literally, have dropped any fighter in the light heavy division, and knocked the heads off anyone from lower divisions. It was the perfect punch.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

He wasn't hit in the chin on the second. What do you not understand about that?

The first would, literally, have dropped any fighter in the light heavy division, and knocked the heads off anyone from lower divisions. It was the perfect punch.

Look fella... It doesn't really matter how someone get's knocked out - whether they got caught flush on the chin, on the temple, on the cheek or a straight cross... It's how your equalibrium deals with it that counts.

And you can't really train that into someone. You either have it or in RJJ's case - you don't.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Roy was hit with hard and sharp punches by tarver in the first fight, at times by Ruiz, definitely by Toney, and now and then by other fighters, most of whom were bigger than him.

Roy did not have a weak chin. His chin might have been made weak (as in he is more prone to concussion these days) by the first Tarver fight, losing so much muscle, and age. After taking a picture perfect concussion-causing punch from Tarver in the rematch, his brain is even more softened. All of these events made it even easier for Glen to KO him (although with a hard, well-placed punch on the temple).

Roy's chin may not be great now, but I've watched him fight bigger guys than himself since the amatuers, and his chin is not weak historically.

[Mr. Ryan]

If this is true, this is disgusting. Jones already has a victory over Woods in 2002. But whats even worse is the circumstances. First off, I was appaulled when Jones decided to fight Glen Johnson for the IBF belt instead of a rubber match with Tarver, and we all know what happened there. Now, having failed to annex the meaningless belt against Johnson, he has decided to take on a guy he thoroughly dominated in Portland for the belt he failed to win against Johnson. To further show how meaningless the belt is, he has lost 2 straight by KO and is getting a title shot. Jones is losing more and more favor with me with this recent show of cowardice.

[SacTown1]

Roy was hit with hard and sharp punches by tarver in the first fight, at times by Ruiz, definitely by Toney, and now and then by other fighters, most of whom were bigger than him.

Roy did not have a weak chin. His chin might have been made weak (as in he is more prone to concussion these days) by the first Tarver fight, losing so much muscle, and age. After taking a picture perfect concussion-causing punch from Tarver in the rematch, his brain is even more softened. All of these events made it even easier for Glen to KO him (although with a hard, well-placed punch on the temple).

Roy's chin may not be great now, but I've watched him fight bigger guys than himself since the amatuers, and his chin is not weak historically.

good call, Roy's D and chin were solid for years, but Mother Nature had to catch up to Superman at one point or another....not to act "Pretender-ish" but I do believe that a few of the right hands that Ruiz landed vs. Jones did some serious long-term damage, and then Tarver and Glencoffe came in to demolish the damaged goods, going back down to 175 was a big mistake in retrospect, losing 24 lbs of muscle is very unhealthy