If you support Mayweather, or his drug testing "demands"...

[Hannibal Barca]

*****s don't even pay attention to what has been said.

Look at them, they always make it sound as if Manny completely disagreed with the tests. Pac simply did not want to abide by Fraud's arbitrary timetable, which Manny had the perfect right to do so. Pac agreed to unlimited urine testing up to the day of the fight. Three blood tests which include one that is immediately after the fight. This is already far and above the current testing rules.

In their staggering fanaticism, it's only Fraud's rules they accept. That's why these *****s are strange peeps.

Why does everyone who supports more stringent drug testing labeled as a *****? What am I if I support the same or similar policies for the MLB, NBA, and NFL?

And Pac fans continue to ignore the various contradictions and excuses from the Pac camp. Team Pac said 14 days was fine, yet when Mayweather proposed 14 days the ran away... How's that Mayweather fault?

[Doctor_Tenma]

Whats so great about it?

Submitting to frivolous demands that are based on 0 evidence?

Thats common sense in my book.

If Mayweather had some actual proof of anything you might have a point but he doesn't.

Hate to be repetitive but Pacquiao disagreed with the random aspect of the test. It was Pacquiao and his team who tried to work their way around it.

[Hannibal Barca]

Whats so great about it?

Submitting to frivolous demands that are based on 0 evidence?

Thats common sense in my book.

If Mayweather had some actual proof of anything you might have a point but he doesn't.

Why did Usain Bolt have to be subject to OST's if there's no evidence of drug use?

Why does Justin Upton have to submit to random doping test with no evidence of prior drug use?

Why does Percy Harvin have to submit to random doping test with no evidence of prior drug use?

[jqSide]

If these peeps are really thinking how can Pac or most members of this forum for that matter know that agreeing to take tests immediately after the fight would not be enough? Bob Arum summed it up succintly, "Mayweather simply didn't want the fight. He's a coward."

Nuff said.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Hate to be repetitive but Pacquiao disagreed with the random aspect of the test. It was Pacquiao and his team who tried to work their way around it.

dom, let me ask you this question. lets say you live in america & somebody accuses you of stealing lets say a pair of shoes. they call the cops & you agree to the search. they find nothing & announce you are innocent & free to go. but the paranoid person who accused you doesnt agree. he thinks the the american cops & their rules & regulation are not right.

he wants to bring in communist russian special police because they are more "thorough."

would you agree to that if you didnt have to? Would you go through every single demand even though you are innocent & there is not a single evidence against you that you are thief?

Or would you go through all the request because the person doesnt think so?
Because the other person needs his fragile false sense of confidence reassured?

Stop thinking like a floyd fan & start thinking like a rationale man with self respect & dignity. That's what pac has & that's what floyd will never have no matter how much money he has.

[Bogig]

Here's what the boxing world thinks:


Joe Goosen, Legendary Boxing Trainer:

"I just think Pacquiao is a juggernaut right now... and I would just say that maybe that's the reason (Floyd's) throwing up all these smokescreens and roadblocks because he (Floyd) doesn't wanna get in the ring with him (Pac)...
(Floyd) should just say yes to the fight, forget all the testing, this guy's (Pac) not on drugs. There's a little air there in all this that's just not right."


Bert Sugar, Boxing Historian and ESPN Analyst:

"A convenient way out for Mayweather"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_wakJ4VVk&feature=related

Al Bernstein, Showtime Boxing Analyst:

“It seems patently obvious to me that Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight. The bottom line is that the fight was basically a done deal before they decided to inject the demands for blood testing into the picture. Pure and simple, Golden Boy and Floyd and his advisers created the problem,
and it ended up killing the fight.”


Dan Rafael from ESPN:

"Mayweather shouldn't be making accusations without a shred of proof as he tries to discredit all of Pacquiao's great accomplishments, nor should he try to circumvent the Nevada rules by asking for blood tests when the commission has never asked for them."


Larry Holmes, Heavyweight Champion:

"I wish I could see Mayweather and Pacquiao fight, but what they're (Floyd's camp) doing right now is hurting boxing because people want to see the fight... They're trying to bring up stuff that is taking away from the fight with drug tests and accusations... I don't get it."


Thomas Hauser, HBO.com:

"There were times during the past month when the conduct of Team Mayweather had the look of an effort to sabotage the fight. A negotiator who wants to make a deal doesn’t go out of his way to antagonize and publicly embarrass the other side. But that’s what the Mayweathers and Golden Boy did."


Jim Strickland, David Diaz's Trainer/retired licensed pharmacist

“I don’t see any reason of accusing Manny of using illegal drugs in our fight.”


Timothy Bradley, WBO/WBC Jr. Welterweight Champion:

"I don't think Manny is on anything. He's just on top of his game right now."


James Toney, Multi division Champion:

"Who is Mayweather to ask for the tests? Why didn’t he ask Marquez? Manny’s not on 'roids."


Mike Silver, noted Boxing Historian:

"I think it fell apart because basically Mayweather never wanted to fight Pacquiao. He wants to continue and fight guys he can beat and fool the public.


Roy Jones, Jr.:

"Hell naw. Why change the rules on me? Because I'm coming up in weight means I'm doing steroids? They're giving you a test for that anyway. It would be something that would aggravate me because then after I beat you, I was on something, don't play with me. Either you want to fight or you don't want to fight."

[Doctor_Tenma]

dom, let me ask you this question. lets say you live in america & somebody accuses you of stealing lets say a pair of shoes. they call the cops & you agree to the search. they find nothing & announce you are innocent & free to go. but the paranoid person who accused you doesnt agree. he thinks the the american cops & their rules & regulation are not right.

he wants to bring in communist russian special police because they are more "thorough."

would you agree to that if you didnt have to? Would you go through every single demand even though you are innocent & there is not a single evidence against you that you are thief?

Or would you go through all the request because the person doesnt think so?
Because the other person needs his fragile false sense of confidence reassured?

Stop thinking like a floyd fan & start thinking like a rationale man with self respect & dignity. That's what pac has & that's what floyd will never have no matter how much money he has.

It ain't even about being a Mayweather fan or Pacquiao fan. That crap needs to stop. If Pacquiao had simply said "No" I wouldn't think too much of it. He didn't, he instead tried to weasel his way through. In the process he threw a whole bunch of lies, constantly contradicted himself and made himself look su****ious. We heard

1. Mayweather is bigger

2. He doesn't want to be tested the day of/ day before, but he was offered 14 days.

3. We heard his other excuse, where he lost to EM, which by far is the lamest of them all.

4. We heard Freddie Roach say that HGH can't be detected in Urine nor Blood. Now why would he say that?

You didn't notice how Arum/ Roach are degrading OSDT in general?

Thats all there is to it. I was never a fan because that isn't my preference of style, but I atleast respected the dude, I no longer do. He could go fuck himself, dude is straight up FAKE.

[baracuda]

i agree 100 %....floyd has never demaded olympic style testing til he was gonna fight packy....that alone shows what abitchass he is .... itwas all an excuse to get out of the fight.....

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

i agree 100 %....floyd has never demaded olympic style testing til he was gonna fight packy....that alone shows what abitchass he is .... itwas all an excuse to get out of the fight.....

Problem with this theory is he asked Shane.



And the fight was signed.

[Carpe Diem]

It ain't even about being a Mayweather fan or Pacquiao fan. That crap needs to stop. If Pacquiao had simply said "No" I wouldn't think too much of it. He didn't, he instead tried to weasel his way through. In the process he threw a whole bunch of lies, constantly contradicted himself and made himself look su****ious. We heard

1. Mayweather is bigger

2. He doesn't want to be tested the day of/ day before, but he was offered 14 days.

3. We heard his other excuse, where he lost to EM, which by far is the lamest of them all.

4. We heard Freddie Roach say that HGH can't be detected in Urine nor Blood. Now why would he say that?

You didn't notice how Arum/ Roach are degrading OSDT in general?

Thats all there is to it. I was never a fan because that isn't my preference of style, but I atleast respected the dude, I no longer do. He could go fuck himself, dude is straight up FAKE.

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.