Official Boxers who got better or improved after 25 years old Thread

[disolly]

good post. very solid points.

[Jim Jeffries]

Did Hopkins lose power when he moved up?

Hopkins had one stoppage in his last 6 fights at MW.

Yet he was still able to floor Taver and Calzaghe after moving up.

So I'd say no.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

PAC's improvement isn't even that hard to figure out...


you started off with a one-dimensional slugger with tremendous handspeed and no regard for defense


Roach introduced him the right hand and taught him how to use it as a weapon


he was taught to not just headhunt and work the body


he was taught to be patient


he was taught that its ok to dodge punches and use his speed for more than just an offensive advantage


they introduced him to lateral movement and with his naturally unconventional angles, it made it easier


then you move him up in weight against slower fighters after tangling with Mexico's legends


da**** did you expect? you do something long enough, you learn a thing or two....PAC was a raw talent when Freddie got him

[DondiNeverLeft]

"You cant be a ordinary fighter at 25 & become extraordinary after that. boxing dont work that way."

-Floyd Mayweather jr.


So according to the fraud, boxers cant improve once they are 25 or over & that if you are not a great fighter under 25 no way in hell you can get better by the time you are 25 & up. Also, 25 year old pacquiao was just ordinary after beating p4p top 5 marco antonio barerra.

Lets take a look at all the fighters who got better after the age of 25:

Bernard Hopkins

Didnt hit his prime until what 33-35 years old. One of hopkins most notable win was vs felix trinidad. he was 36 years old. Bernard's loss to roy jones jr? he was 28 years old. So one would come to a conclusion that 39 year old hopkins that ko'd oscar de la hoya is better than 25 year old hopkins that ko'd khaliff shabazz in one round?

i think so.

Lets see who else;

36 year old antonio tarver who ko'd roy jones jr. is better than 29 year old tarver who ko'd joaquin garcia.

Nate Campbell. I would say 36 year old nate campbell is better than 28 year old nate who ko'd john trigg.

ahh, lets see juan manuel marquez. 30 year old marquez who tangled with pacquiao at 126 could be described as a better version than the 24 year old marquez who beat cedric mingo. Marquez even found the time to it seems like get better as he got to his mid 30s by taking on pacquiao at 130, being the first to knockout casamayor & beating & also knocking out young juan diaz.

Joe Calzaghe is another one. Lennox Lewis is also another. the 28 year old lewis that ko'd frank bruno is better than the 25 year old that ko'd calvin jones. When lennox lewis started working with emmanuel steward one would reckon he got even better. The emmanuel steward trained lewis was much more technical, polished, confident, defensive, & overall tougher to hit than the lennox in his 20s. 34 year old lennox who got robbed vs evander was much better than the under 30 lennox.

Those are just the fighters off the top of my head that got better as they got older. Hell, let me ask you this question, who is the better, polished, experienced, complete, confident floyd? 24 year old who ko'd corrales or the 28 year old floyd who beat gatti?

Maybe Pacquiao is just different. Maybe all these other guys could improve as they get older except pacquiao. I didnt post any asian fighters who got better so probably asian fighters cant get better as they get older.

Im pretty sure if we dig deeper throughout boxing history that we will find more examples just like the boxingscene history thread that uncovered all those fighters who moved up though more weight classes & packed on more pounds than pacquiao.

Big time biased thread.
None of those fighters got older and climbed weight classes to knock top notch PRIME fighters out in a heavier weight class. Not Nate not Hopkins not Tarver none of them.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Im just great at comebacks, what can i say?

You did say that Pacquiao got stronger because he's at a natural weight now. Doesn't that mean that 147 is his natural weight? im not ******, im just using yuor logic.

And what i said about Tyson was me just owning Tortilla's theory completely.

You dont own **** you ****ing child. every situation is different. i agree that young tyson was better than older tyson but that has everything to do with tyson completely falling apart mentally & eventually physically when cus amato & jimmy jacobs died culminating in him losing to buster douglas. If he kept his head on straight & had a ounce of will power, determination, & discipline throughout his career he could have been the greatest heavyweight of all time. instead by the time he got out of jail at 29 he was more than washed up.

every situation is different. you can have a late blooming career like bhop, have a long relevant career like shane, have a steadily improving great career like pac, have a short elite reign like tyson, or start off too early & be shot before you hit 25 like wilfred benitez.

every situation is different.

[DondiNeverLeft]

PAC's improvement isn't even that hard to figure out...


you started off with a one-dimensional slugger with tremendous handspeed and no regard for defense


Roach introduced him the right hand and taught him how to use it as a weapon


he was taught to not just headhunt and work the body


he was taught to be patient


he was taught that its ok to dodge punches and use his speed for more than just an offensive advantage


they introduced him to lateral movement and with his naturally unconventional angles, it made it easier


then you move him up in weight against slower fighters after tangling with Mexico's legends


da**** did you expect? you do something long enough, you learn a thing or two....PAC was a raw talent when Freddie got him

If it was that simple every fighter would have done it...or at least every fighter Roach has trained....too basic of an explanation.

[Jim Jeffries]

PAC's improvement isn't even that hard to figure out...


you started off with a one-dimensional slugger with tremendous handspeed and no regard for defense


Roach introduced him the right hand and taught him how to use it as a weapon


he was taught to not just headhunt and work the body


he was taught to be patient


he was taught that its ok to dodge punches and use his speed for more than just an offensive advantage


they introduced him to lateral movement and with his naturally unconventional angles, it made it easier


then you move him up in weight against slower fighters after tangling with Mexico's legends


da**** did you expect? you do something long enough, you learn a thing or two....PAC was a raw talent when Freddie got him

That and Pac's not draining himself 17 pounds to make 130 any more.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

If it was that simple every fighter would have done it...or at least every fighter Roach has trained....too basic of an explanation.

read all the posts & educate yourself alt.

[Boxin']

You dont own **** you ****ing child. every situation is different. i agree that young tyson was better than older tyson but that has everything to do with tyson completely falling apart mentally & eventually physically when cus amato & jimmy jacobs died culminating in him losing to buster douglas. If he kept his head on straight & had a ounce of will power, determination, & discipline throughout his career he could have been the greatest heavyweight of all time. instead by the time he got out of jail at 29 he was more than washed up.

every situation is different. you can have a late blooming career like bhop, have a long relevant career like shane, have a steadily improving great career like pac, have a short elite reign like tyson, or start off too early & be shot before you hit 25 like wilfred benitez.

every situation is different.

I agree. But what is Pac's natural weight anyway? 130? 135?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

If it was that simple every fighter would have done it...or at least every fighter Roach has trained....too basic of an explanation.

its simple to have all Roach fighters have PAC's raw talents? and its simple to have 3 legends from Mexico hone your skill?

nice try alt