Official Boxers who got better or improved after 25 years old Thread

[jrosales13]

i think Floyd's point was that you don't go through that many divisions and go from 130 to 147 in the space of 3 years and increase speed, power and punch resistance all at the same time......you will find most boxers actually peak in their late twenties or early to mid thirties , but alot of the time it is more mental than physical, they know how to prepare better, when to push in camp and when to take the foot off the accelerator and they get smarter in the ring and more relaxed.....i don't think Hopkins got physically better with age, but he sure got alot smarter........

You don't think Pac has gotten smarter? Became more patient? Not so wild and reckless? Mentally he just grew? He always had the physical attributes. But, now he has the mental part of it as well...

I honestly don't think PED's help your boxing IQ...

And, Pac is not as fast now as he was back in the featherweight division. He might just look faster because, the fighters he has fougth about 135 are not as fast as the fighters he fought at featherweight and below.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Pac by age 19 was a lineal champ, by age 21 he was a 2 division champ that spanded over 4 weight-classes, by age 23 he was a 3 divisonal champ that spanded over 5 weight-classes and a 2 division lineal champ. With a win over a prime sure fire HOF'er who is a borderline ATG. How is that ordinary? He accomplished all that by the age of 23. There are borderline HOF fighters who didn't accomplish that in there whole career. Yet Pac did that by the age of 23. And, yet he is ordinary?

dont forget that pac in reality skipped 115 & 118. imagine if he tried to make a run at championship titles at 115 & 118, he could already have been 9 division champion.

ordinary bastard.

[American Dream]

TS is obsessed with floyd..start a Pac/Clottey thread plase..lmao

[[ DUBBZZ ]]

he said start out GOOD not GREAT

Uhh, that's what I meant. Don't all great fighters start out good and end up great? If not, how do great fighters start then? Isn't that the natural progression for every great athlete? So my question was: "How many fighters do you know who STARTED out great"? - Correct answer is "none".

[Doctor_Tenma]

so you think 126 pacquiao is ordinary?

Pacquiao improved his defense, his right hook has become lethal. He no longer stays in after throwing combinations, he's constantly turning his opponents now, so he has improved alot. Pacquiao was always a great athlete. I mean think about it, all he had was an average jab and a really good straight left hand and he beat tough opposition with only those 2 punches in his arsenal. So he was always been a great athlete. I think Mayweather is sort of su****ious because of Pacquiao's duraility and increased punching power.

[$partacus]

"You cant be a ordinary fighter at 25 & become extraordinary after that. boxing dont work that way."

-Floyd Mayweather jr.


So according to the fraud, boxers cant improve once they are 25 or over & that if you are not a great fighter under 25 no way in hell you can get better by the time you are 25 & up. Also, 25 year old pacquiao was just ordinary after beating p4p top 5 marco antonio barerra.

Lets take a look at all the fighters who got better after the age of 25:

Bernard Hopkins

Didnt hit his prime until what 33-35 years old. One of hopkins most notable win was vs felix trinidad. he was 36 years old. Bernard's loss to roy jones jr? he was 28 years old. So one would come to a conclusion that 39 year old hopkins that ko'd oscar de la hoya is better than 25 year old hopkins that ko'd khaliff shabazz in one round?

i think so.

Lets see who else;

36 year old antonio tarver who ko'd roy jones jr. is better than 29 year old tarver who ko'd joaquin garcia.

Nate Campbell. I would say 36 year old nate campbell is better than 28 year old nate who ko'd john trigg.

ahh, lets see juan manuel marquez. 30 year old marquez who tangled with pacquiao at 126 could be described as a better version than the 24 year old marquez who beat cedric mingo. Marquez even found the time to it seems like get better as he got to his mid 30s by taking on pacquiao at 130, being the first to knockout casamayor & beating & also knocking out young juan diaz.

Joe Calzaghe is another one. Lennox Lewis is also another. the 28 year old lewis that ko'd frank bruno is better than the 25 year old that ko'd calvin jones. When lennox lewis started working with emmanuel steward one would reckon he got even better. The emmanuel steward trained lewis was much more technical, polished, confident, defensive, & overall tougher to hit than the lennox in his 20s. 34 year old lennox who got robbed vs evander was much better than the under 30 lennox.

Those are just the fighters off the top of my head that got better as they got older. Hell, let me ask you this question, who is the better, polished, experienced, complete, confident floyd? 24 year old who ko'd corrales or the 28 year old floyd who beat gatti?

Maybe Pacquiao is just different. Maybe all these other guys could improve as they get older except pacquiao. I didnt post any asian fighters who got better so probably asian fighters cant get better as they get older.

Im pretty sure if we dig deeper throughout boxing history that we will find more examples just like the boxingscene history thread that uncovered all those fighters who moved up though more weight classes & packed on more pounds than pacquiao.

Hopkins didn't start boxing until he was 23, Tarver and Campbell didn't start their pro careers until they were 28. Joe Calzaghe always had the ability but didn't want to take the risks, heavyweights generally peak at an older age.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

i think Floyd's point was that you don't go through that many divisions and go from 130 to 147 in the space of 3 years and increase speed, power and punch resistance all at the same time......you will find most boxers actually peak in their late twenties or early to mid thirties , but alot of the time it is more mental than physical, they know how to prepare better, when to push in camp and when to take the foot off the accelerator and they get smarter in the ring and more relaxed.....i don't think Hopkins got physically better with age, but he sure got alot smarter........

henry armstrong was the featherweight champion in 1937 vs petey sarron. in 1938 he beat barney ross for the welterweight championship. two months later he goes down to 135 & beats lou ambers for the title. in 1940 later he fights ceferino garcia for the title at 160 but gets robbed. that's more daring than pac.

was henry juicing also?

[Boxin']

henry armstrong was the featherweight champion in 1937 vs petey sarron. in 1938 he beat barney ross for the welterweight championship. two months later he goes down to 135 & beats lou ambers for the title. in 1940 later he fights ceferino garcia for the title at 160 but gets robbed. that's more daring than pac.

was henry juicing also?

man, what if Pacquiao had Roach from he started his pro career. I think he would have been maybe the greatest of all time...

[rao007]

Pacquiao improved his defense, his right hook has become lethal. He no longer stays in after throwing combinations, he's constantly turning his opponents now, so he has improved alot. Pacquiao was always a great athlete. I mean think about it, all he had was an average jab and a really good straight left hand and he beat tough opposition with only those 2 punches in his arsenal. So he was always been a great athlete. I think Mayweather is sort of su****ious because of Pacquiao's duraility and increased punching power.

I disagree...Pacquiao is the same fighter now as the one who faced Morales just heavier due to roids...he feels his punches more which sorta of changes his movement...other than a new doggy tricks that ****roach taught him recently---he's the same non-talented, haymaking, one-handed fighter.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Pacquiao improved his defense, his right hook has become lethal. He no longer stays in after throwing combinations, he's constantly turning his opponents now, so he has improved alot. Pacquiao was always a great athlete. I mean think about it, all he had was an average jab and a really good straight left hand and he beat tough opposition with only those 2 punches in his arsenal. So he was always been a great athlete. I think Mayweather is sort of su****ious because of Pacquiao's duraility and increased punching power.

dom you are too smart to be a floyd or paulie parrot. stop with the punch resistance, chin cracked, blue print shown, a side meth bull crap. none of the fighters he faced since he left 130 were monster julian jackson power hitters. not the crappy david diaz that every anti pac fan has bashed, not the zombie washed up, weight drained oscar, & the damaged goods miguel cotto.

pac is a great devestating puncher 130 lbs & under, he has very good power at 135 & 140. at 147 i think its just above avarage. you guys are trying to discredit all of his wins above 130 yet at the same time say its unbelievable what he's doing so he must be on roids with out any single evidence.

which one is it?