Interesting a Floyd and Pac

[Travdog]

the only revisionist history is from you pal. you were the one that made the thread saying stay away from *******/***** bull**** so i layed it out for you.

There was demand for the rematch. The offer for the immediate rematch was made. it was declined by team marquez. both fighters lose their next fight. demand gone. it wasnt until a year and a half later when both fighters picked up big wins again that the rematch demand went up again.

what's so hard to understand about that???

Where did I called you a *******? If I disagree with your assessment I'm calling you a *******? Interesting.

A 50/50 fight was a counter to the offer and Pac team didn't want to do it. All I'm saying is that the business man in him sometimes trumps the warrior.

[Travdog]

Shut up shadey. You are making too much sense. He is talking about Manny the warrior wherein the warrior is correlated on rematches. By virtue of that definition, Floyd should have been more of a warrior than Manny. I believe him.

Yes I'm saying that if you lose a fight you get back in the ring with the guy that beats you. Is that what this sport is about seeing who is the best. If we have a draw and we are in the fight of the year, why would I let a money dispute get in the way of me proving who is the better fighter? What's illogical about that?

[Jcsuper]

don't want to interfer in your discussion, but I just laughed at the guy saying DLH Mayweather was controversial, ahahah. The only thing controversial is that it was a SD instead of a Ud

[tesla_power]

Yes I'm saying that if you lose a fight you get back in the ring with the guy that beats you. Is that what this sport is about seeing who is the best. If we have a draw and we are in the fight of the year, why would I let a money dispute get in the way of me proving who is the better fighter? What's illogical about that?

It is illogical because you are thinking about the warrior thing.

JMM -- A stylistic nightmare for pac. Money, with most boxers, is more important than pride. he did rematch him in a highly anticipated fight and both of them still or close to their prime. What is your beef with that? He went to life and death with Jmm. What more could you ask?

Singsurat -- he skipped 2 whole division because he could not make weight anymore. Do you want him to cut an leg just to avenge that loss?

Torrecampo -- ok
Sanchez -- ok

A warrior is "a person who shows or has shown great vigor, courage, or aggressiveness". More or less a risk taker or one who chooses better opposition.

Does not the wins over the cotto, hat, dlh, morales, barrera ...
be more of a warrior thing than ...
rematches with sing,torrecampo,sanchez?

[Travdog]

It is illogical because you are thinking about the warrior thing.

JMM -- A stylistic nightmare for pac. Money, with most boxers, is more important than pride. he did rematch him in a highly anticipated fight and both of them still or close to their prime. What is your beef with that? He went to life and death with Jmm. What more could you ask?

Singsurat -- he skipped 2 whole division because he could not make weight anymore. Do you want him to cut an leg just to avenge that loss?

Torrecampo -- ok
Sanchez -- ok

A warrior is "a person who shows or has shown great vigor, courage, or aggressiveness". More or less a risk taker or one who chooses better opposition.

Does not the wins over the cotto, hat, dlh, morales, barrera ...
be more of a warrior thing than ...
rematches with sing,torrecampo,sanchez?

People call Manny a warrior and Floyd a chicken. The "chicken" rematched his toughest fight immediately. The "warrior" has shown reluctance.

I said Manny has shown his heart in the ring and has dug down deep in Manny of his tough fights. I have been a big fan of Pac's since the late 90's. I record all of his fights.

I honestly give Manny credit for his won over Marquez more than his recent wins. I just wish that he had fought him one more time because I still don't know who the better fighter is between the two of them as it relates to how they perform against each other.

The Cotto, Diaz, and Hatton fights were all exciting and he showed great power but I expected all of those. To me Margarito ruined him, and Clottey beat him up. I predicted Manny in four. I thought Floyd took away Hatton's confidence when he knocked him out. I predicted Manny in four as well and I thought Diaz was going to get killed by Pac.

As for DelaHoya, I predicted DelaHoya to win but I was on the record as saying DeLaHoya was shot when I saw him fight Forbes. I wrote an article about it on another site. I just thought Manny was too small but I did not know Oscar was on IV's.

[PAKYO]

don't want to interfer in your discussion, but I just laughed at the guy saying DLH Mayweather was controversial, ahahah. The only thing controversial is that it was a SD instead of a Ud

If it was a UD, then there shouldn't be any controversy as it would be clear who really won.

I don't even know who should really won that fight.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Floyd also has a controversial victory over Oscar delahoya and never rematched.

Pacquiao offered an immediate rematch to Marquez which i believe Marquez would have won decisively if they had agreed but team Marquez declined because they wanted 50/50. instead he fights Chris John in indonesia for 30k and loses. removing all demand for a pacquiao rematch until pacquiao knocked out morales.

lmao

[jrosales13]

I will say this that I guess people forget. After the JMM draw. Pac offered a rematch which JMM turned down and in return JMM went all the way to indonesia to fight Chris John for way less money... But, the TS don't want to mentioned that... OK....

[Travdog]

I will say this that I guess people forget. After the JMM draw. Pac offered a rematch which JMM turned down and in return JMM went all the way to indonesia to fight Chris John for way less money... But, the TS don't want to mentioned that... OK....

We covered that. Marquez wanted a 50/50 split and Pac said no, so Marquez went and fought John and the rest is history.

Why not a third fight?

[jrosales13]

We covered that. Marquez wanted a 50/50 split and Pac said no, so Marquez went and fought John and the rest is history.

Why not a third fight?

Because, JMM never came off that 50-50 demand. Even after Pac beat him in the rematch. JMM wanted 50-50... And, I am not even going to blame JMM. Because, JMM would of fought Pac in 90-10 split. But, it was Nacho who took awhile to finally agree to rematch Pac. And, then after Pac. they felt they were robbed and wanted 50-50 split and never came off that demand ever again. Even after Pac became a huge star by beating Oscar. They still wanted 50-50. And, when Floyd-Pac talks felt apart. JMM said he would take Floyd place and fight Pac in March if Pac did random blood test and a 50-50 split. Even though JMM was coming off a shut out lost to Floyd... Pac never ducked JMM ever. And, JMM didn't either. But, JMM trainer/manager Nacho overpriced himself. Nacho is a great but horrible manager.

And, that is why there is/was no third fight...