Can Wladimir Klitschko break Joe Louis's 25 title defense record?

[hweightblogger]

Are you actually trying to claim that Wlad has faced harder opposition than any heavyweight fighter in history? Cos that's pretty laughable.

This thread is about title fights.

Wlad broke the records of all HW champs to date when it comes to number of title wins against real heavyweight (200+ lbs) non-bummy opposition.

And still counting.

[hweightblogger]

A fan of Wlad that tries to say he fought better opposition than Ali should be laughed at.

Wlad's a good champion. Ali he is not.

Yeah, what's missing is a half-blind fat dwarf on Wlad's record.

[crold1]

Does Wlad have to have 25 consecutive title defenses or just 25 title defenses to break the record?

The record is 25 straight title defenses of the Heavyweight title. Lineal wise, Klitschko is 23 away from breaking. Even on a curve, looking only at the IBF, he's 16 from making a general run (i.e. the difference between the Hopkins record and Monzon's at Middle).

It's highly unlikely at 23. Just plain unlikely on the other (if for no other reason he might want to retire and count chips). He has a shot at the general (i.e. not lineal title) record for wins in Heavyweight title fights period if one includes the soft first WBO reign (soft because Lennox was generally accepted as THE champ). He needs ten more wins to past Louis's 25.

No matter the final tally, it's impressive. Hello Canastota.

[cupocity303]

Yes he could. Considering there are no more BIG Event fights on the horizon, where it needs buildup. He could go on a Bum-of-the-month type tour, since we're comparing him to Joe Louis.

Not necessarily that they're bums but you get the point. Speed up his activity, less buildup and keep racking up victories. Here is the hypothetical schedule:

Dust off the Chisora-Fury winner in September, October, or Novmember.


Fight the 6'6 tall Norodic Nightmare in Feb or March.

Give Eddie Chambers a rematch two months later.

Ko Alexander Povetkin 4 months after that.

Fight 50 year old Evander Holyfield with a contract stipulation that states, HE HAS TO GO INTO MANDATORY RETIREMENT if he losses, no comebacks on any continent of this planet. If he can build a spaceship and have a intergalactic fight on Jupiter, then Ok.

Have another annual Undisputed Cruiserweight move up and dust him off.


And there you go. No lengthy breaks in between, force these guys into short-notice, agree to all my terms fights. Don't let them dance around like Povetkin did, trying to bide time. Take it or leave it and stay busy and he shall break the record for Title Defenses.

[TaurusJ27]

It might depend on what kind of opponents he takes either contenders who pose a threat or bums.

[Hitman932]

It might depend on what kind of opponents he takes either contenders who pose a threat or bums.

How does it matter?

Many of Louis' 25 defenses were against guys who had no business fighting for the Heavyweight Title. In this day and age most of the fights would not have even been sanctioned.

The record has nothing to do with quality of opposition and any Heavyweight who defends his title 25 times if obviously going to end up running into a fair amount of fighters who have little or no business sharing the ring with him.

I would feel safe in wagering that in the next 50 years we will not see another Heavyweight Champion defend his belt as many times as Wlad will have done by the time he retires. That alone should help to put his legacy into perspective for those who look back a few decades from now without the same bias that many posters here hold against Klitschko.

[Malicious]

He'll probably end up with around 20 which is still pretty damn impressive. Unfortunately his haters will probably try to taint that feat much like people did with Louis and the "bum of the month club".

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

No..........

[hweightblogger]

I would feel safe in wagering that in the next 50 years we will not see another Heavyweight Champion defend his belt as many times as Wlad will have done by the time he retires. That alone should help to put his legacy into perspective for those who look back a few decades from now without the same bias that many posters here hold against Klitschko.

As I wrote Wlad surpassed already all champions that lived to date (since 18xx). Only if one includes sub-200 opposition (which Wlad isn't allowed to box) or bums (like some of Ali's or Holmes or Louis' opponents) then these guys have a slight edge.

In fact HAD WLAD FOUGHT opponents like Frazier (blind on left eye) or Cleveland Williams (atrophied leg after a gun shooting) it would be the final proof how the division sucks.

And of Louis' 27 title fights
* 9 were 190+ lbs
* 7 were 180+ lbs
* 1 was 170+ lbs

of the remaining 10
* 4 came off a loss

of the remaining 6
* 2 were against bums (Farr, Roper)

The remaining 4 were
* Galento (a former cruiser)
* Nova (a former cruiser)
* Buddy Baer

That's Joe Louis' world title record in a nutshell.

In terms of real heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko's record is so much better than Louis'. It's an insult to compare Louis to Klitschko.

And the ONLY reason why people dare to compare these two is because of the misnomer "heavyweight".

Take a look at this pic and you know how Joe Louis' record would have been evaporated the minute he stepped into a ring with a modern heavyweight:



This is what they called a heavyweight fight back then (Louis standing on some box here BTW):



Louis would be demolished by B-level cruisers these days.

Add to it that these guys fought mainly American opposition (since Soviet Bloc'ers were FORBIDDEN to box) the record of Louis, Ali (and even Lennox) is far less worth than Klitschko's.

Ali's belts are approximately as much worth as the EBU belts nowadays. Louis' belts probably even less.

It's pretty safe to assume that in the next decades there won't be any champ like Wlad, since he already surpassed the greats of the last century.

[Deal With It]

As I wrote Wlad surpassed already all champions that lived to date (since 18xx).

Only in the deluded world inside your head.

Only if one includes sub-200 opposition (which Wlad isn't allowed to box)

Which is to Wlad's benefit. Instead of only being knocked out by big fat slow plodding bums, he would be getting knocked out by quick, slick, agile bums.

or bums (like some of Ali's or Holmes or Louis' opponents) then these guys have a slight edge.

Ali, Louis & Holmes all have victories over hall of famers. Wlad's career will end and won't have a single victory over a hall of famer or at the very least an A- level boxer.

In fact HAD WLAD FOUGHT opponents like Frazier (blind on left eye) or Cleveland Williams (atrophied leg after a gun shooting) it would be the final proof how the division sucks.

And of Louis' 27 title fights
* 9 were 190+ lbs
* 7 were 180+ lbs
* 1 was 170+ lbs

of the remaining 10
* 4 came off a loss

of the remaining 6
* 2 were against bums (Farr, Roper)

The remaining 4 were
* Galento (a former cruiser)
* Nova (a former cruiser)
* Buddy Baer

That's Joe Louis' world title record in a nutshell.

In terms of real heavyweight Wladimir Klitschko's record is so much better than Louis'. It's an insult to compare Louis to Klitschko.

And the ONLY reason why people dare to compare these two is because of the misnomer "heavyweight".

A decomposing Joe Louis in his grave would be able to defeat Ross Parity.

Take a look at this pic and you know how Joe Louis' record would have been evaporated the minute he stepped into a ring with a modern heavyweight:



This is what they called a heavyweight fight back then (Louis standing on some box here BTW):



Louis would be demolished by B-level cruisers these days.

Take a look at tiny little cruiserweight Joe Louis DESTROYING a much more athletic, bigger, stronger & more accomplished Heavyweight than Wlad could ever hope to be.


Glass jaw Wlad wouldn't last a round with Joe Louis, and Vitali would just quit LOL.

Add to it that these guys fought mainly American opposition (since Soviet Bloc'ers were FORBIDDEN to box) the record of Louis, Ali (and even Lennox) is far less worth than Klitschko's.

One eyed halfway blind Joe Frazier along George Foreman BOTH knocked out the best heavyweights Eastern Europe had to offer in the Olympics AS TEENAGERS. What do you think they would have did to them as fully developed pros if they were allowed to compete?

Ali's belts are approximately as much worth as the EBU belts nowadays. Louis' belts probably even less.

But yet, Ali has 0 losses to D-level Journeymen HAHAHAHAHA. Ali with Parkinsons would KO Ross Purrity in 3 rounds.