Pacquiao-Mayweather collapse is about control, not PEDs

[brick wall]

I was unaware of this. I thought in a fight negotiation you can make any request or demand you wish. what's the valid reason for the 8oz gloves.

are you that ******? you can make any demand for as long as it is in the bounds of existing policies. and what's wrong with you bringing up the gloves? they are supposed to wear the standard size and weight of gloves for welterweights so what valid reason do you need?

[PAC-BOY]

Translation; I'm going to keep hanging on Pacquiao's nuts and contribute nothing to the discussion on this thread.

WOW thats original. Hanging on Nuts. Did you come up with that all on your own? And your bias contribute are all that matters huh?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

are you that ******? you can make any demand for as long as it is in the bounds of existing policies. and what's wrong with you bringing up the gloves? they are supposed to wear the standard size and weight of gloves for welterweights so what valid reason do you need?

Standard Size in Nevada is 10 0z not 8.

[brick wall]

Pac has come in overweight before too in the past.

is that a fact or assumption? link please

[PAC-BOY]

Stop talking to me, I was talking to S A M. The guy who literally HATES Floyd for what he does OUTSIDE the ring, but said out of his mouth he does not care about what Manny does OUTSIDE the ring and Manny just cheated on his wife. I'm calling him out on that nonsense.

And stop talking to me.

Is that a way to treat a fellow poster? hehe.

[AllEyesOpen]

I think what people are not recognizing is that all this post-negotiation posturing between the Mayweather and Pacquiao camps is a result of the fact that neither of them can actually come out and say that they arent agreeing to the others terms "Because they just dont want to." So now we have Floyd (unconvincingly) acting as the champion for "cleaning up the sport" and Pacquiao (also unconvincingly) coming up with reason after reason for refusing the testing. Pacquiao cannot realistically tell the American sports media, "I'm not agreeing to the testing because i dont like that ****er, and I wont play by his rules, not matter what", not if he wants to cross over into an American sports personality/star. Maywetaher can't sya "Just playin guys I really dont give a **** about testing if it isnt essential for negotiations." not if he wants to maintain his credibility. So you have these two guys playing out the roles they have been cast in. Now its also important to note that Mayweather has won this exchange, as im certain he inteded too. Beng Floyd Mayweather JR., there is no other fighter in the world, besides Pacquiao (and maybe Vlad Klitschko and Bernard Hopkins but they wont be fighting Floyd anytime soon) who can refuse Floyd's testing termsi n a fight contract. Therefore, Mayweather has nothing to lose by merely enforcing testing form here on out in his own fights. Pacquiao on the other hand now has some cleaning up of his image to do, which i think (at least in regards to accusations of PED abuse) is undeserved. If Pacquiao never accepts the terms and fights Mayweather he will have some explaining to do, so essentially hes going to have to accept the terms at some point. it will be interesting to see how team Pacquiao spins it, but regardless I think (and hope) the fight will get made later this year.

I gotta disagree on your first point;

At least I would have been behind Pacquiao if he had come out and said "I'm not going to take the testing because I refuse to bend to Mayweather's demands." Instead he and his team gave weak excuse after weak excuse. Now he's taking a fight that has even less testing and getting blood drawn 19 day before the fight. Every step of the way Pacquiao makes himself look more and more suspect.

[Dehydrator]

Wrong sir. Floyd has never came in over the 147 Pound limit. This fight isnt signed for 144.

Pac has come in overweight before too in the past.

So your telling me that the fight with Marquez was not a (144 lbs) catchweight bout?
Then why did Floyd paid $600K for coming in at 146 lbs.?

Give me the link that Pacquiao came in overweight during a weigh-in?

[S.G.]

are you that ******? you can make any demand for as long as it is in the bounds of existing policies. and what's wrong with you bringing up the gloves? they are supposed to wear the standard size and weight of gloves for welterweights so what valid reason do you need?

the standard size for welterweight gloves in nevada is 10oz. 8oz were only allowed to be a negotiation point at welterweight again after the cotto v margarito fight where arum convinced the nsac to let them use 8oz gloves.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

is that a fact or assumption? link please

How long have you been following his career? Hes came in over weight a few times bro.

[AllEyesOpen]

are you that ******? you can make any demand for as long as it is in the bounds of existing policies. and what's wrong with you bringing up the gloves? they are supposed to wear the standard size and weight of gloves for welterweights so what valid reason do you need?

Standard Size in Nevada is 10 0z not 8.

Asked and answered. You didn't know Nevada uses 10 oz gloves for ww fights, are you that ******?

How about this one; What was the valid reason of asking Cotto to come in at 145 for a 147 title fight?