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  • What is the REASON that leads you to believe that Pacquiao is using AAS?

    First to get it out of they way, I am a Pacquaio fan. However I am nowhere near to the point of being blind when it comes to discussing him.

    I'm a firm believer in not speaking on something if you have no idea what you are talking about. One of the things I happen to know well are AAS and other Performance Enhancing drugs. From countless of hours of reading, meeting a talking with a very notorious organic chemist, and knowing several users. Personally I have never used, at least not yet, I do plan to sometime in the future or when I turn 40 for TRT purposes or for general well being but that's beside the point.



    ____The Point____

    I'd like to know why people (Floyd Fans or anyone esle) who believes Manny is using AAS or or some other PED's.

    What exactly tipped you off or caused you to believe?

    I'll start off by addressing some of the "reasons" I've been seeing

    -Physique- This would be the most obvious as "steroids" are the first thing out of most peoples mouth when someone is in great shape. However getting ripped and in shape is not impossible without steroids. Manny Pacquiao is a Millionaire. His money gives him access to the best trainers and nutritionists money can buy. Plus give his and virtually any boxers training regimens, it's not hard to fathom these guys are in shape naturally.

    -His Head-- This is one of the most asinine things I've heard. My memory may be bad but I don't see an changes in the size of his dome. From what I gather, the consensus is that Pac started using around the time of his fight with David Diaz. While HGH may stimulate bone and organ growth, it's impossible that any increase in the size of someone's head could happen in the short period of 2 years. Pac would have to be taking ridiculously high doses for a very long period of time. Besides that I've seen no signs that would lead me to believe he's using. Things like GH Gut which he doesn't have.

    -His Chin- Pac lately seems to take a punch a lot better than he used to, however rest assured, steroids cannot improve your ability to take shots to the head.

    -Conditioning and Pace- I've heard from a few people and even saw a video on youtube that Pac's conditioning was the result of EPO. Now this again all started around the time of the Diaz fight. Lampley and Steward made several references to it during thee course of the fight from what I remember. EPO is a possibility however the risks of using EPO highly outweigh the gain. EPO is extremely dangerous and can be fatal if used improperly. But again like I mentioned with Physique, given his training regimen it's not hard to fathom.

    -A Side Meth- Now personally I've never heard of this. It may be real, but talking to various experts, they've laughed at the concept. This came from Roger Mayweather as I'm sure everyone here knows. From the little info Roger provided. I can guarantee with 100% conviction that it's bull****. He stated that they were used 500 years ago, however steroids weren't even synthesized until the early 1900's.

    -The fact that he refused testing- This could be the most legit reason I've heard. Unfortunately, just because someone refuses testing doesn't mean they are using steroids. He could be using something else. God know what that could be, it may not even be steroids. Or this could all just be an attempt to further hype this Mayweather/Pac superfight.


    Anyway. Enough of my rambling. I'd like to hear exactly why you think he's on steroids. Because so far it's just been monkey see, monkey do.

    If Floyd says it, it must be true. Which isn't a very good excuse.
    Last edited by TheNegation; 03-04-2010, 12:09 PM.

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    Does anybody have any logical reasons or are we just going to continue to throw around ****** **** that makes no sense?

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    • #3
      Actually, you almost describe most of them. I'm with you that it hinges on Pac's refusal to move the cutoff date to 14days. It is really hard to fathom for a regular guy on how could he walk away from that much money. But with Pac's ego and financial security, it is much more easier to let go. Their ego's (both pac and floyd) killed this fight.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GroundSt.Pound View Post
        Does anybody have any logical reasons or are we just going to continue to throw around ****** **** that makes no sense?
        pretty much yeah

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tesla_power View Post
          Actually, you almost describe most of them. I'm with you that it hinges on Pac's refusal to move the cutoff date to 14days. It is really hard to fathom for a regular guy on how could he walk away from that much money. But with Pac's ego and financial security, it is much more easier to let go. Their ego's (both pac and floyd) killed this fight.
          That is true, but I really believe that this fight will happen and these steroids accusations are merely an attempt to hype this fight even further and generate more money.

          Originally posted by shobox View Post
          pretty much yeah
          that's pretty sad

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          • #6
            Well because Roger/Floyd Sr said so. I mean if it's coming from them, it must be right??? After all, it takes a drug abuser to know one.

            It's still hard for me to believe that people can take these people's words as fact.

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            • #7
              The stuff with the blood test is really the only legit reason anyone could be su****ious of Pac, but there could be plenty of reasons for not wanting the blood tests, and we don't have any idea how the actual negotiations went.

              Would I be surprised? No, but I'm not going to assume he is guilty without some kind of proof.

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              • #8
                A lot of reasons. A lot.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                  A lot of reasons. A lot.
                  Yet you can't name any of them, can you?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tesla_power View Post
                    Actually, you almost describe most of them. I'm with you that it hinges on Pac's refusal to move the cutoff date to 14days. It is really hard to fathom for a regular guy on how could he walk away from that much money. But with Pac's ego and financial security, it is much more easier to let go. Their ego's (both pac and floyd) killed this fight.

                    People seem to forget, that Floyd walked away from that money just as much as Pac did by bringing up these tests in the first place. As easy as Pac could have accepted them and moved on with the fight, is as easy as Floyd could have dropped the demands and moved on with the fight.

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