What is the REASON that leads you to believe that Pacquiao is using AAS?

[IMDAZED]

I did on my board way back in dec of 08

and got killed for it

I mean absolutely murdered

Really? By who? What was weird to me was that the person who mentioned it were so casual about it. So I called a few other people and by the time I was done, I felt like I was totally out of the loop. It's weird now because these SAME people who told me about it are all mad at everything that's occurred because they just can't stand Mayweather . That's boxing for you.

[BirdSong]

I dont think he is but i wouldnt rule it out, floyds offer of 14 days for blood tests was reasonable and i was suprised he didnt go for it, thats all

But i can somewhat understand him not wanting to be dictated to by the mayweathers and possibly in his mind putting in a performance he was not happy with v morales and putting it down to blood taking, this sort of thing can mess with peoples minds. Random blood tests should become mandatory and if pac doesnt like it then bye bye

[S A M U R A I]

First to get it out of they way, I am a Pacquaio fan. However I am nowhere near to the point of being blind when it comes to discussing him.

I'm a firm believer in not speaking on something if you have no idea what you are talking about. One of the things I happen to know well are AAS and other Performance Enhancing drugs. From countless of hours of reading, meeting a talking with a very notorious organic chemist, and knowing several users. Personally I have never used, at least not yet, I do plan to sometime in the future or when I turn 40 for TRT purposes or for general well being but that's beside the point.



____The Point____

I'd like to know why people (Floyd Fans or anyone esle) who believes Manny is using AAS or or some other PED's.

What exactly tipped you off or caused you to believe?

I'll start off by addressing some of the "reasons" I've been seeing

-Physique- This would be the most obvious as "steroids" are the first thing out of most peoples mouth when someone is in great shape. However getting ripped and in shape is not impossible without steroids. Manny Pacquiao is a Millionaire. His money gives him access to the best trainers and nutritionists money can buy. Plus give his and virtually any boxers training regimens, it's not hard to fathom these guys are in shape naturally.

-His Head-- This is one of the most asinine things I've heard. My memory may be bad but I don't see an changes in the size of his dome. From what I gather, the consensus is that Pac started using around the time of his fight with David Diaz. While HGH may stimulate bone and organ growth, it's impossible that any increase in the size of someone's head could happen in the short period of 2 years. Pac would have to be taking ridiculously high doses for a very long period of time. Besides that I've seen no signs that would lead me to believe he's using. Things like GH Gut which he doesn't have.

-His Chin- Pac lately seems to take a punch a lot better than he used to, however rest assured, steroids cannot improve your ability to take shots to the head.

-Conditioning and Pace- I've heard from a few people and even saw a video on youtube that Pac's conditioning was the result of EPO. Now this again all started around the time of the Diaz fight. Lampley and Steward made several references to it during thee course of the fight from what I remember. EPO is a possibility however the risks of using EPO highly outweigh the gain. EPO is extremely dangerous and can be fatal if used improperly. But again like I mentioned with Physique, given his training regimen it's not hard to fathom.

-A Side Meth- Now personally I've never heard of this. It may be real, but talking to various experts, they've laughed at the concept. This came from Roger Mayweather as I'm sure everyone here knows. From the little info Roger provided. I can guarantee with 100% conviction that it's bull****. He stated that they were used 500 years ago, however steroids weren't even synthesized until the early 1900's.

-The fact that he refused testing- This could be the most legit reason I've heard. Unfortunately, just because someone refuses testing doesn't mean they are using steroids. He could be using something else. God know what that could be, it may not even be steroids. Or this could all just be an attempt to further hype this Mayweather/Pac superfight.


Anyway. Enough of my rambling. I'd like to hear exactly why you think he's on steroids. Because so far it's just been monkey see, monkey do.

If Floyd says it, it must be true. Which isn't a very good excuse.

Good post.

The thing I've been wondering about most of all recently is the 14 day window thing. It's common kowledge that PEDs can be cycled and flushed out of the system literally hours before a fight. So if Pacquioao was juicing, what is the point of Floyd suggesting this 14 day window, where Pacquiao wouldn't be tested for two whole weeks before the fight? If he was using PED's, surely he could easily get away with it. Right?

It makes no sense at all. The point seems to be mind games, that's all. Floyd has no intention whatsoever of "cleaning up the sport", it's a lie as far as I'm concerned. He is saying it in the hope that boxing fans see him as some kind of hero. The fact is, Pacquiao has taken the shine off Floyd's accomplishments by destroying their common opponents and moved into Floyd's old spot as P4P #1. Floyd hates it, and rather than building his own career back up, he figured it'd be easier to tear another man's hard work down. Great way of "cleaning up the sport". Not. I'm pretty sure I can see right through this crap.

I don't believe Pacquiao is using anything, and never did. His weight has barely changed (see below), he hasn't been KO'ing people Tyson-style, except maybe for Hatton, but the reason for that is largely due to Hatton's flaws which Pacquiao took great advantage of. He went 9 rounds with David Diaz, 8 rounds with Oscar and almost the full 12 with Cotto. There's no sign that he suddenly became some kind of monster puncher, and people talk as though steroids give you insane power. That's not true. Known users such as Mosley and Vargas have both lost fights and looked like **** while they were juicing. Steroids do not guarantee anyone a victory.

Mayweather himself uses a performance enhancing drug (Xylocaine) which, as far as I know, is illegal everywhere outside of the only state he will fight in. That's his reason for not fighting Pacquiao in Texas.


Manny's weight:

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs
2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs
2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs
2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs
2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs
2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs
2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs

144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years.


Pacquiao is not taking steroids. The only people who claim he is are those who are threatened by him, and that includes his moronic minions.

Roger / Floyd Sr. / Floyd Jr.: Pacquiao is a huge threat to their name.

Paulie Malignaggi: Was beaten (badly) by Cotto. He said "If Manny beats Cotto he is the greatest fighter who ever lived", or something along those lines. Then, two days later, he claims Pacquiao is on something. Why? Because Pacquiao made Malignaggi look like crap by beating Cotto so emphatically. This is pure jealousy.

Kermit Cintron: Suddenly piped up a few days before Pacquiao was due to fight his fellow Rican, Cotto. Again, the key words here are "fellow Rican". Maybe Kermit has a high level of PR Pride.


Floyd reminds me of when I was younger, back when I was interested in a girl but she was more interested in another guy. I would talk **** about the other guy in an attempt to make myself look and feel better. It didn't work. All it did was make me look ridiculous and highlight my jealousy. Floyd is petty and ******, like I was as a young teenager with a crush on someone.

Despite all this crap, Floyd was a HUGE Pacquiao fan just a few years ago. He was sometimes seen at Pacquiao fights jumping up and down and getting excited. His words: "Manny Pacquiao is the truth."

He sure is. But only when he's nowhere near your weight division. Now according to Floyd, Manny Pacquiao is a lie.

Make your confused little mind up, Floyd baby.



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[S A M U R A I]

I dont think he is but i wouldnt rule it out, floyds offer of 14 days for blood tests was reasonable and i was suprised he didnt go for it, thats all

Let me get something straight -- who offered 14 days? There are conflicting stories here.



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[Ray*]

The fact that he rather have everyone brew up su****ion instead of him take a damn test.

Or Maybe he really does have something to hide.

[BirdSong]

Let me get something straight -- who offered 14 days? There are conflicting stories here.

What i heard was that floyds team offered a cut of date of 14 days after which no blood test would take place until blood is taken after the fight

[S A M U R A I]

What i heard was that floyds team offered a cut of date of 14 days after which no blood test would take place until blood is taken after the fight

Right, OK, that's what I thought. In that case, I don't understand it. As I said, it'd be so ridiculously easy to cheat this 14 day window.



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[V.WEBB]

Really? By who? What was weird to me was that the person who mentioned it were so casual about it. So I called a few other people and by the time I was done, I felt like I was totally out of the loop. It's weird now because these SAME people who told me about it are all mad at everything that's occurred because they just can't stand Mayweather . That's boxing for you.

That's crazy. Did you have a hard time believing what you were told?

[AllEyesOpen]

First to get it out of they way, I am a Pacquaio fan. However I am nowhere near to the point of being blind when it comes to discussing him.

I'm a firm believer in not speaking on something if you have no idea what you are talking about. One of the things I happen to know well are AAS and other Performance Enhancing drugs. From countless of hours of reading, meeting a talking with a very notorious organic chemist, and knowing several users. Personally I have never used, at least not yet, I do plan to sometime in the future or when I turn 40 for TRT purposes or for general well being but that's beside the point.



____The Point____

I'd like to know why people (Floyd Fans or anyone esle) who believes Manny is using AAS or or some other PED's.

What exactly tipped you off or caused you to believe?

I'll start off by addressing some of the "reasons" I've been seeing

-Physique- This would be the most obvious as "steroids" are the first thing out of most peoples mouth when someone is in great shape. However getting ripped and in shape is not impossible without steroids. Manny Pacquiao is a Millionaire. His money gives him access to the best trainers and nutritionists money can buy. Plus give his and virtually any boxers training regimens, it's not hard to fathom these guys are in shape naturally.

-His Head-- This is one of the most asinine things I've heard. My memory may be bad but I don't see an changes in the size of his dome. From what I gather, the consensus is that Pac started using around the time of his fight with David Diaz. While HGH may stimulate bone and organ growth, it's impossible that any increase in the size of someone's head could happen in the short period of 2 years. Pac would have to be taking ridiculously high doses for a very long period of time. Besides that I've seen no signs that would lead me to believe he's using. Things like GH Gut which he doesn't have.

-His Chin- Pac lately seems to take a punch a lot better than he used to, however rest assured, steroids cannot improve your ability to take shots to the head.

-Conditioning and Pace- I've heard from a few people and even saw a video on youtube that Pac's conditioning was the result of EPO. Now this again all started around the time of the Diaz fight. Lampley and Steward made several references to it during thee course of the fight from what I remember. EPO is a possibility however the risks of using EPO highly outweigh the gain. EPO is extremely dangerous and can be fatal if used improperly. But again like I mentioned with Physique, given his training regimen it's not hard to fathom.

-A Side Meth- Now personally I've never heard of this. It may be real, but talking to various experts, they've laughed at the concept. This came from Roger Mayweather as I'm sure everyone here knows. From the little info Roger provided. I can guarantee with 100% conviction that it's bull****. He stated that they were used 500 years ago, however steroids weren't even synthesized until the early 1900's.

-The fact that he refused testing- This could be the most legit reason I've heard. Unfortunately, just because someone refuses testing doesn't mean they are using steroids. He could be using something else. God know what that could be, it may not even be steroids. Or this could all just be an attempt to further hype this Mayweather/Pac superfight.


Anyway. Enough of my rambling. I'd like to hear exactly why you think he's on steroids. Because so far it's just been monkey see, monkey do.

If Floyd says it, it must be true. Which isn't a very good excuse.

I'm not sure that he is on PEDs, and I'm a Pac fan as well, but his refusal to take random blood testing is suspect to me. Nothing that anyone has ever said cause more doubt in my mind then Pac's own actions. In a sport where death is possible, if not likely, refusing the biggest payday in your career and a chance to cement your legacy as an ATG because you don't like needles doesn't make any kind of sense to me.

[Ray*]

What i heard was that floyds team offered a cut of date of 14 days after which no blood test would take place until blood is taken after the fight

Well according to everyone involve in negotiation(Roach,Koncz and mediator included) you are correct.