What is the REASON that leads you to believe that Pacquiao is using AAS?

[Ray*]

I've been watching boxing, hell for that matter sports in general, for over 20 years. I'm aware of what the human body can endure. I've seen supreme athletes physical gifts drift away when age and wear and tear are involved. I just want to know how a guy with 50 plus fights, over 30 years old, been fighting professionally for over 15 years, jump thru 7 weight classes, and retain supreme physical gifts? That's not even taken into account the actual training camps. That's a lot of wear and tear on your body. And with his style of "who can take who's shot the best" and the wars he's had....it's just not adding up. I'm sorry. I don't wanna sound like a hater, but something isn't clicking within my own realm of common sense. I wouldn't be so su****ious if he rose thru the ranks and altered his style to accommodate the sudden changes in weight and other changes that come along with being a fighter moving up. But his style is EVEN more effective. That's unheard of.

Couple that with the various excuses about the whole testing fiasco. Just seems out of place. And the notion that Floyd "knew" that this was the one issue that would be the deal breaker is odd too. To hear Arum and Roach say, "Giving in to these test is like giving away the first two rounds to Floyd" is shocking. Not only is he a ducker, loudmouth, horrible financial planner....but he's also psychic. The "he's trying to get in Manny's head" rhetoric holds no weight if it's not true. I don't know, man....I honestly don't know. But my gut won't let me believe he doesn't have "something" he's hiding. It may not be what we all think it is.....but it's something.

Even though am still in denial about Pac taking anything to enhance his performance, I have to say i agree with the highlighted bit above, People talk like Mayweather is a psychic who somehow knew Manny would say NO to drug testing. The whole testing scenario made me look at manny in a different light.

[jimmy webb]

why can't it be all of the above? You seem defensive because people want to discuss whether or not he is using

so enjoy I talked about way too often and way too much to do it any further but I will say this

You may or may not know more about PEDs than me. I don't really know or care to know you

however

I know more about this specific case than you could ever imagine

now before you go calling me out with what I know realize if I haven't already said it then chances are I just won't.

so thanks and have fun with your thread

You don't know **** !! The most info you have is all hearsay/opinions of others in the business.

From the very beginning, *****s side have publicly accused PAC of PED usage. Ask yourself this, if you want someone to agree with you. Are you gonna go out in public and start makin accusations ??

How the hell does that approach work in the business world ?? Here's the *****s wanting to enter into a "business partnership" with PAC and their strategy to get them to agree to an idea is to accuse him without any proof??

How the f**k does that work, genius ??

Your theory is, the reason for PAC's refusal, is because he's hiding something ?

Well, can you say the same thing about Shane Mosley when Zab requested that he take OST testing too. And GBP from the get-go wanted nothing to do with it, none, zero, zilch, does that mean they were protecting Shane 'cause he was still on the juice ??

Unlike PAC, who was willing to be blood tested but with a cutoff date, and have random urinalysis throughout the entire training camp. The fact that ***** himself gave in on cutoff dates, makes me question what his point was in all this. Because in theory, 2 weeks would still give a cheater that window of opportunity.

[jimmy webb]

no

not at all

long before the Mayweathers

do you think they would have been smart enough to think of this all their own?

if so you give them far more credit than I do

Mayweathers know boxing

not much else

Richard Schaefer is smarter than all the Mayweathers combined. He himself denies of ever making the statement of how PAC is on PEDs. So, if Mr Schaefer, a highly intelligent man knows PAC is on this ****, then why not come out with it. Or is he just like the rest of y'all, all based on a hunch ??

Unlike Canseco, who actually witnessed alot of this stuff, had conversations with the juicers themselves. Can any of the people you know have that kind of info on PAC the way Canseco had. Where they actually saw PAC take these PEDS, or PAC/Ariza/Roach told them PAC is on PEDS.

The funny thing is, you and others are all saying the same thing "He's on something, he's on something". Well, each PED has a specific purpose and none of his accussers can even come up what this might be. No, they had to make up some b.s drug "A-side meth", WTF.

I personally know folks that take N-Side meth though, they combine it with Kool-Aid and watermelon, hehe.

[Gutz]

If Team Pac accused Floyd of juicing and he refused testing...we'd never hear the end of this. Pac fans would act worst than Floyd fans are acting now.

First off.. Why would Pac ask Floyd for Blood testing


2nd Floyd team never asked.. They already said he on PED. and only reason he winning is cause of PEDS. All Fraud jr is doing is playing Head games..

[Eaner0919]

You don't know **** !! The most info you have is all hearsay/opinions of others in the business.

From the very beginning, *****s side have publicly accused PAC of PED usage. Ask yourself this, if you want someone to agree with you. Are you gonna go out in public and start makin accusations ??

How the hell does that approach work in the business world ?? Here's the *****s wanting to enter into a "business partnership" with PAC and their strategy to get them to agree to an idea is to accuse him without any proof??

How the f**k does that work, genius ??

Your theory is, the reason for PAC's refusal, is because he's hiding something ?

Well, can you say the same thing about Shane Mosley when Zab requested that he take OST testing too. And GBP from the get-go wanted nothing to do with it, none, zero, zilch, does that mean they were protecting Shane 'cause he was still on the juice ??

Unlike PAC, who was willing to be blood tested but with a cutoff date, and have random urinalysis throughout the entire training camp. The fact that ***** himself gave in on cutoff dates, makes me question what his point was in all this. Because in theory, 2 weeks would still give a cheater that window of opportunity.

you are so angry.

why?

lol all too funny

[Eaner0919]

Richard Schaefer is smarter than all the Mayweathers combined. He himself denies of ever making the statement of how PAC is on PEDs. So, if Mr Schaefer, a highly intelligent man knows PAC is on this ****, then why not come out with it. Or is he just like the rest of y'all, all based on a hunch ??

Unlike Canseco, who actually witnessed alot of this stuff, had conversations with the juicers themselves. Can any of the people you know have that kind of info on PAC the way Canseco had. Where they actually saw PAC take these PEDS, or PAC/Ariza/Roach told them PAC is on PEDS.

The funny thing is, you and others are all saying the same thing "He's on something, he's on something". Well, each PED has a specific purpose and none of his accussers can even come up what this might be. No, they had to make up some b.s drug "A-side meth", WTF.

I personally know folks that take N-Side meth though, they combine it with Kool-Aid and watermelon, hehe.

couple of things anger boy

1. at the bolded. Yes I know of people who have first hand knowledge of what if anything
2. find where I said he is on something. Go ahead I beg you

never did.

what I have always said is that the points can be debated period and that still holds true I just tire of it now. I have said what I said and thats it

I do know more than you though lol

and the last part reported for racist remarks

[pasawayako]

People seem to forget, that Floyd walked away from that money just as much as Pac did by bringing up these tests in the first place. As easy as Pac could have accepted them and moved on with the fight, is as easy as Floyd could have dropped the demands and moved on with the fight.

totally agree with you.

[MurderDeathKill]

There is no reason. I don't believe he's doing anything.

[Mr. Philadel]

1. He'd been whispered about as a user for a couple years

2. His trainer has worked with several users, has also been whispered about, and also carries the stigma of spearheading Wildcat, a haven for PEDs.

3. Several boxers have come forward to voice their su****ions

4. His refusals and outline for his own testing reeks of a fighter who knows when to be tested and how to beat it.

5. The countless excuses from he and his camp.

6. And to a lesser extent, his unprecedented ability to move through many divisions and retain unbelievable power.

I could go on but elaborating on one of these, quite frankly, is enough.

can this be used in court?!?....because I doubt Floyd's lawyer will present a defense as strong as this one!! ....you got me thinkin' twice about this now.....I think Floyd's people are just trying to find a way to down play the things Manny has done but I'm kind of like on the fence now!!

[KiloTeague]

People seem to forget, that Floyd walked away from that money just as much as Pac did by bringing up these tests in the first place. As easy as Pac could have accepted them and moved on with the fight, is as easy as Floyd could have dropped the demands and moved on with the fight.

You need to pull your head out. Thats like saying you rob me and I fight you for my money and we both get hurt and then say I could of avoided the injury if I let you walk away with all my money.

Your a thief and in this situation Pac is the cheat. You don't walk away from someone stealing from you and you don't accept fighting a dude who is cheating for an advantage. Floyd just wanted to guarantee a fair fight. Pac let someone call him a cheat and refused drug testing to raise the eyebrows of people that thought the cheat claims were BS. I never thought he was juicing, I thought he was a phenominal athlete.