Comments Thread For: Ruiz is Not Impressed With David Haye's Valuev Win

[BritishBoxing92]

Says the guy who threw a record LOW punch output in a heavyweight title fight. That is facts my friend. I know it sucks, but you can't change history.

Haye would get knocked the **** out by Tua as well and you know it.

So what if he threw a record low?? in the 12th round when haye stunned valuev had he kept on throwing hard punches to the face valuev wouldve been knocked down...and i dont know whether haye would get Kod by tua or not...but he would probably last more then 1 round with tua unlike john ruiz

[BritishBoxing92]

Well, I have to defend Ruiz on that one. You say that like it's something shameful. Getting KO'd by David Tua in *any* round is nothing to be ashamed of. Tua hits as hard as anyone.

course it aint shameful getting KOd...its just shameful getting KOd in the 1st round...

[ChopperRead]

Yes, I seriously do. Nothing dumb about it. Haye will handle Ruiz like Toney and Jones did, using quick punches and movement. We all know Haye fought a certain way because he was in with a huge monster of a HW. Valuev has an iron jaw so you can't exactly steam in and try and knock him out. He has a hard head. Haye executed his gameplan, don't discredit him for that. What's so surprising about favouring a quick, hard puncher in his prime over a slow, lumbering John Ruiz?

We'll see. I think Ruiz will be much tougher than you're giving him credit for. Haye won't get away with a shameful performance like the one he gave against Valuev. Davey has looked like **** against both Barrett and Valuev, and if he doesn't up his game considerably against Ruiz, he will lose.

[ChopperRead]

course it aint shameful getting KOd...its just shameful getting KOd in the 1st round...

I dunno -- he got caught. Can happen in any round. Maybe against a lesser puncher than Tua I would agree with you. But Ruiz learned from that early loss, and I don't see that happening again in any case. I think the people thinking Ruiz is just a bum Haye will walk through are in for a wake-up call, unless Haye is considerably better than he has shown in his last two fights.

[BritishBoxing92]

I dunno -- he got caught. Can happen in any round. Maybe against a lesser puncher than Tua I would agree with you. But Ruiz learned from that early loss, and I don't see that happening again in any case. I think the people thinking Ruiz is just a bum Haye will walk through are in for a wake-up call, unless Haye is considerably better than he has shown in his last two fights.

neither do i...but i can see haye beating ruiz on TKO in summit like 10th or 11th round...

[ChopperRead]

neither do i...but i can see haye beating ruiz on TKO in summit like 10th or 11th round...

That's certainly reasonable. I think this may be a lot better fight than many are anticipating. Ruiz his doing a lot less hugging these days under his new team, fighting offensively instead of just being offensive, and Haye needs to make a statement badly. This fight will probably determine if the Haye - Vitali matchup will ever become a reality. If Haye has a lot of trouble with or even loses to Ruiz, a matchup with either Klitschko loses a lot of its appeal. If he steps it up and KOs Ruiz impressively, then we have a different scenario.

[BritishBoxing92]

That's certainly reasonable. I think this may be a lot better fight than many are anticipating. Ruiz his doing a lot less hugging these days under his new team, fighting offensively instead of just being offensive, and Haye needs to make a statement badly. This fight will probably determine if the Haye - Vitali matchup will ever become a reality. If Haye has a lot of trouble with or even loses to Ruiz, a matchup with either Klitschko loses a lot of its appeal. If he steps it up and KOs Ruiz impressively, then we have a different scenario.

ok zen...case closed....for now

[English puncher]

boxing is about more than hard hitting my friend.

there are few (if any) things more impressive in boxing than a fighter completely switching up his style, and thats what haye did. a great fighter needs to be able to adapt and haye showed against valuev he has the allround skills to be a real threat to any current HW.

he had the perfect gameplan coming in but when he broke his hand he needed to adapt, so he did. he went from the punching style hes had in the pros and became a pure boxer, relying on his amateur background.

he didnt run, its called lateral movement and is what he needed to take away the size factor.

boxing is scored on 4 things.

- clean effective punching
- ring generalship
- defense
- effective aggression

haye was fighting a much bigger man with one hand so he used defense and ring generalship to outpoint him. the way he used the ring, stayed of the ropes and dodged punches was beautiful. even though he didnt land alot he still landed the better shots and made valuev miss constantly not letting him score at all, meanwhile scoring on defense himself.

it was a masterful display, anyone who can appreciate the sweet science and boxing in its purest form would be impressed by hayes performance.

it wasnt the typical haye but thats a good thing, showing he can win fights in more than one way. we already know he has offense but now we know he has defense aswell and can control an oponent through outhinking him in addition to with the sheer threat of blunt force.

No my friend, count how many punches haye was actually throwing! i agree with your diagnosis on the sweet science, but it was a complete bore. Sugar ray leonard adopted the style you speak of in the 3rd duran fight, as did mitchell against prescott just recently, Haye was hardly throwing, I began countin mid way threw the fight, and it was a couple of jabs , I'm sorry he was extremly lucky to have got the decision.

[Pirao]

No my friend, count how many punches haye was actually throwing! i agree with your diagnosis on the sweet science, but it was a complete bore. Sugar ray leonard adopted the style you speak of in the 3rd duran fight, as did mitchell against prescott just recently, Haye was hardly throwing, I began countin mid way threw the fight, and it was a couple of jabs , I'm sorry he was extremly lucky to have got the decision.

He's a Klitschko hater, so his posts are clearly biased. You can box with movement while beating your opponent to a pulp (like Floyd usually does, or like Vitali did against Arreola), and you can run for most of the fight barely throwing anything (which is what Haye did against Valuev).

[King Ju-Ju]

Ruiz is a bum. He needs 2 keep his mouth shut.