Manny Pacquiao best southpaw ever??
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Yeah I mentioned him on my list. Man Pac wanst to be up there with the greats he needs to stop with the 145, shot **** and start fighting.
Beating David Diaz, Hatton shot, Oscar shot and Cotto at 145 AND damaged goods. And Barerra and JMM isnt enough to make you the Number 2 ATG when he hasnt even fought the best guy in his era yet.
You keep on mentioning excuses here,
DD was a Champ that no one want to fight him at 135... LOL
Maybee ODLH but they meet halfway with Pac from 135 moving up to 147, and ODLH come down to 147 from 154...
Hatton??? a shot oh baby, He himselt proclaimed as the best fighter at 140lbs division out there.
Cotto damage good who retires Jennings and give Clottey a tough competition even he was suffering with a big gusty cuts.Comment
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PAc is infinitely better at 147 than he has ever been....he is stronger, faster, has a better chin, hits harder........etc etc.....
Pac at 130 is nothing compared to the one we have today......
Serious questions:
Pac v Floyd at 130......who wins???
Floyd v EM, MAB, JMM at 130 who wins???
I'm pretty sure you know the answer?????
Now IMO Pac could beat floyd currently at 147....but 130 v 130 versions Floyd would KO PAC..........
But, that was not the point to the whole debate. What I said Pac win against Barrera the first time is better than any win that Floyd has in his resume... People for how highly touted Barrera was at the time... More so than Corrales... Around this time ESPN came out with there top 50 greatest all time and had Barrera up there... That is how highly touted he was at the time...Comment
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In the lower weight-classes he wasn't as well rounded as he is now... I said that... But, lets talk when he became well rounded... Whitaker is the only one... Camacho was ruined by Edwin Rosario, you can debate the version of Camacho before he fought Rosario would beat Pac... But, yet Pac well rounded, fast enough, akward enough to really ruin Camacho... Ramirez? Really?
P4P sense Winky didn't look good against an awkward Soliman... How are we so sure he could beat an awkward but much faster, stronger, powerful in a P4P sense in Pac?
Well rounded Pac is different because he wouldnt have fought those guys. Wed have to line up some 140/147 pounders for a fair assessment.Comment
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I don't know if I pick anybody to beat Floyd at 130... I rank him at #2 at 130 in all time... The only one I have ahead is Arguello... But, I wouldn't argue if somebody has Floyd at #1...
But, that was not the point to the whole debate. What I said Pac win against Barrera the first time is better than any win that Floyd has in his resume... People for how highly touted Barrera was at the time... More so than Corrales... Around this time ESPN came out with there top 50 greatest all time and had Barrera up there... That is how highly touted he was at the time...Comment
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You don't have to move up... Monzon didn't move up... But, when we start talking about P4P sense and ATG list people that moving up helps... Especially if it spanded 9 divisions. Is like people rank Greb and B. Leonard higher than Pep. Just due to fact that both Greb and Benny moved up weight-classes to challenge themselves. While Pep didn'tComment
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