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  • DC Fight Fan
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    #11
    Originally posted by No Ceilings
    Well I beg to differ. I love HBO and Showtime. I dont see how people can be fans of boxing then get mad when we dont get EVERY fight we want.

    Some fights will happen. Some wont. I want Lopez vs. Gamboa. Is Arum going to make it anytime soon. No. Does that mean Top Ranks sucks. No.
    I'll let Greg Leon say it because honestly he says it much better than me.

    GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS: DINOSAUR BREATH
    By G. Leon

    When it first came into existence, Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions told the world he was going to run the company differently than "dinosaurs" like Bob Arum and Don King. Statements like "The fighters don't work for us, we work for the fighters" lead some to believe a changing of the guard really was at hand. A few years down the road, ********** points out several instances where Golden Boy's actions resembled the very dinosaurs they enjoyed ridiculing.

    Signing John Ruiz: Golden Boy Promotions recently signed John Ruiz to a promotional contract. Ruiz is the mandatory challenger to WBA heavyweight champion David Haye. Golden Boy Promotions already has a vested interest in Haye. Fortunately for Golden Boy, this fight isn't taking place in the United States where it could be viewed as a severe violation of the Muhammad Ali Act by taking future consideration from Ruiz even though Ruiz was already guaranteed the Haye fight under WBA rules. Am I the only one who viewed this as a Don King move?

    Inability to Promote African-American Talent: Golden Boy grabbed this torch from Bob Arum and took off running. Golden Boy "PARTNERS" Bernard Hopkins and Shane Mosley found themselves on the bench for over a year following masterpiece performances over Kelly Pavlik and Antonio Margarito. Winky Wright, another prominent African American closely associated with Golden Boy, dropped a close decision to Bernard Hopkins and found himself on the sidelines for 22 months before he was fed to Paul Williams. Golden Boy's website touted Wright's planned fight in Puerto Rico, but the compnay did nothing when that fight imploded for Winky. As this goes to print, Wright is looking to align himself with Bob Arum.

    Judd "Benedict" Burstein: With over eight years in the boxing business under my belt, my greatest regret is referring Shane Mosley to attorney Judd Bustein. The questionable, at best, moves Burstein has made as Mosley's representative will be outlined in a future expose, but for now let's just ask how in the world Burstein can represent Shane Mosley's best interest when he's on the Golden Boy payroll? Bob Arum confirmed to ********** that Burstein will represent Golden Boy in the Manny Pacquiao defamation lawsuit, which leads me to believe that the negotiations between Burstein and "Sir Vrichard" Schaefer must have been as intense and ferocious as Don King negotiating Ricardo Mayorga bouts with his son Carl.

    Is GBP to Mexicans what DKP is to African Americans?: "Once he beats Marquez.." were the words of Golden CEO Sir Vrichard Schaefer to Boxingscene.com as it related to Golden Boy's newest acquisition Amir Khan's proposed fight with future hall of famer Juan Manuel Marquez. Golden Boy was supposed to be representing Marquez too, but the CEO spoke as if a Marquez loss was a foregone conclusion. It didn't take long for Marquez rep Nacho Beristain to express his displeasure over being treated like a "stepping stone." Obviously, Sir Vrichard still hasn't learned how to promote one of his fighters without completely disrespecting the other. Since bolting from Don King, Juan Diaz has been horribly mishandled by Oscar and company. It was not in Diaz's best interest to fight Malignaggi, but they made the fight anyway. Memo to Golden Boy: If you make fights that are in the best interest of your young talent, you will have no problem securing HBO dates when your output deal expires in 2011.

    The Mayweather Treatement: Golden Boy Promotions has been involved with every Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fight following his split decision victory over De La Hoya. Mayweather has no signed contract to GBP, but they seem to have accomodated his every request, serving him better than their own contracted boxers. Despite GBP holding all of the cards, Mayweather was matched against Marquez while Shane Mosley rode the pine. Mosley only landed the Mayweather fight after Andre Berto (who, like Mayweather, is also repped by a guy named Al Haymon) suddenly pulled out and Mayweather's clash with Pacquiao crumbled. Mayweather-Pacquiao taking place would have likely prevented Shane from fighting the winner until 2011, since there was a great chance Pacquaio-Mayweather would have become a best of three. Simply put, Golden Boy can and will do better as it relates to maximizing the potential of their contracted athletes, if they provide them with the Mayweather treatment.

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    • B.U.R.N.E.R
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      #12
      Originally posted by DC Fight Fan
      I'll let Greg Leon say it because honestly he says it much better than me.

      GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS: DINOSAUR BREATH
      By G. Leon

      When it first came into existence, Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions told the world he was going to run the company differently than "dinosaurs" like Bob Arum and Don King. Statements like "The fighters don't work for us, we work for the fighters" lead some to believe a changing of the guard really was at hand. A few years down the road, ********** points out several instances where Golden Boy's actions resembled the very dinosaurs they enjoyed ridiculing.

      Signing John Ruiz: Golden Boy Promotions recently signed John Ruiz to a promotional contract. Ruiz is the mandatory challenger to WBA heavyweight champion David Haye. Golden Boy Promotions already has a vested interest in Haye. Fortunately for Golden Boy, this fight isn't taking place in the United States where it could be viewed as a severe violation of the Muhammad Ali Act by taking future consideration from Ruiz even though Ruiz was already guaranteed the Haye fight under WBA rules. Am I the only one who viewed this as a Don King move?

      Inability to Promote African-American Talent: Golden Boy grabbed this torch from Bob Arum and took off running. Golden Boy "PARTNERS" Bernard Hopkins and Shane Mosley found themselves on the bench for over a year following masterpiece performances over Kelly Pavlik and Antonio Margarito. Winky Wright, another prominent African American closely associated with Golden Boy, dropped a close decision to Bernard Hopkins and found himself on the sidelines for 22 months before he was fed to Paul Williams. Golden Boy's website touted Wright's planned fight in Puerto Rico, but the compnay did nothing when that fight imploded for Winky. As this goes to print, Wright is looking to align himself with Bob Arum.

      Judd "Benedict" Burstein: With over eight years in the boxing business under my belt, my greatest regret is referring Shane Mosley to attorney Judd Bustein. The questionable, at best, moves Burstein has made as Mosley's representative will be outlined in a future expose, but for now let's just ask how in the world Burstein can represent Shane Mosley's best interest when he's on the Golden Boy payroll? Bob Arum confirmed to ********** that Burstein will represent Golden Boy in the Manny Pacquiao defamation lawsuit, which leads me to believe that the negotiations between Burstein and "Sir Vrichard" Schaefer must have been as intense and ferocious as Don King negotiating Ricardo Mayorga bouts with his son Carl.

      Is GBP to Mexicans what DKP is to African Americans?: "Once he beats Marquez.." were the words of Golden CEO Sir Vrichard Schaefer to Boxingscene.com as it related to Golden Boy's newest acquisition Amir Khan's proposed fight with future hall of famer Juan Manuel Marquez. Golden Boy was supposed to be representing Marquez too, but the CEO spoke as if a Marquez loss was a foregone conclusion. It didn't take long for Marquez rep Nacho Beristain to express his displeasure over being treated like a "stepping stone." Obviously, Sir Vrichard still hasn't learned how to promote one of his fighters without completely disrespecting the other. Since bolting from Don King, Juan Diaz has been horribly mishandled by Oscar and company. It was not in Diaz's best interest to fight Malignaggi, but they made the fight anyway. Memo to Golden Boy: If you make fights that are in the best interest of your young talent, you will have no problem securing HBO dates when your output deal expires in 2011.

      The Mayweather Treatement: Golden Boy Promotions has been involved with every Floyd Mayweather, Jr. fight following his split decision victory over De La Hoya. Mayweather has no signed contract to GBP, but they seem to have accomodated his every request, serving him better than their own contracted boxers. Despite GBP holding all of the cards, Mayweather was matched against Marquez while Shane Mosley rode the pine. Mosley only landed the Mayweather fight after Andre Berto (who, like Mayweather, is also repped by a guy named Al Haymon) suddenly pulled out and Mayweather's clash with Pacquiao crumbled. Mayweather-Pacquiao taking place would have likely prevented Shane from fighting the winner until 2011, since there was a great chance Pacquaio-Mayweather would have become a best of three. Simply put, Golden Boy can and will do better as it relates to maximizing the potential of their contracted athletes, if they provide them with the Mayweather treatment.
      Yeah I read that his Floyd agenda makes him not a worthy source on this topic.

      This clown actually think its GBP's fault that Shane turned down Berto, Clottey and Williams. Some dont even know that Berto tried to fight him before.

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      • PensionKiller
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        #13
        I personally don't like promoters.

        I would prefer one league. All vs all or random matching. Maybe even teams.

        Best of the best in each country fights each other at the end.

        That **** would bring fans in.

        People won't be loyal to boxers, but maybe teams, and teams carry loyalty.

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        • -The Glove-
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          #14
          I agree with your assessment bro. Good thread.

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            #15
            Originally posted by DC Fight Fan
            Not crying bro, just stating facts. The GBP/HBO monopoly has robbed fans of great fights on TV.
            I already tried to explain to him how Golden boy getting a set of guaranteed blind dates from HBO hurts the sport. He doesn't get it... I tried to explain how Ross Greenburg bends over backwards for Al Haymon fighters. But, he just doesn't get how really bad it is.... Look what they are doing with Amir Khan and the rumor of him not fighting Maidana for the next 3 fights or something like that. Kahn is a Golden Boy fighter. HBO went with it... But, he see's nothing wrong with that. So I just don't waste my time with this certain subject with him anymore...

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            • DC Fight Fan
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              #16
              Originally posted by jrosales13
              I already tried to explain to him how Golden boy getting a set of guaranteed blind dates from HBO hurts the sport. He doesn't get it... I tried to explain how Ross Greenburg bends over backwards for Al Haymon fighters. But, he just doesn't get how really bad it is.... Look what they are doing with Amir Khan and the rumor of him not fighting Maidana for the next 3 fights or something like that. Kahn is a Golden Boy fighter. HBO went with it... But, he see's nothing wrong with that. So I just don't waste my time with this certain subject with him anymore...
              Thanks for the heads up bro. Some people just can't be convinced even if facts are facts. Too bad.

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              • B.U.R.N.E.R
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                #17
                Originally posted by jrosales13
                I already tried to explain to him how Golden boy getting a set of guaranteed blind dates from HBO hurts the sport. He doesn't get it... I tried to explain how Ross Greenburg bends over backwards for Al Haymon fighters. But, he just doesn't get how really bad it is.... Look what they are doing with Amir Khan and the rumor of him not fighting Maidana for the next 3 fights or something like that. Kahn is a Golden Boy fighter. HBO went with it... But, he see's nothing wrong with that. So I just don't waste my time with this certain subject with him anymore...
                I never said there was nothing wrong with that. What they are doing with Khan is no different then what Arum is doing with Jr.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by DC Fight Fan
                  Thanks for the heads up bro. Some people just can't be convinced even if facts are facts. Too bad.
                  And, another thing with Top Rank. People like to **** on Bob Arum Latin Fury and Pinoy Power PPV cards. But, they fail to realize that Arum pays for those PPV's out of his own pocket. In some events he LOSSES money. HE MAKES NO PROFIT SOMETIMES EVEN LOSSES MONEY. There is a reason why you don't see Golden Boy and all the other major promotions companies doing independents PPVs. But, he does that to keep his fighters name out there to the public to keep his fighters active he does right by his fighters. But, yet fans who really don't know want to **** on that...

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                  • DC Fight Fan
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by No Ceilings
                    I never said there was nothing wrong with that. What they are doing with Khan is no different then what Arum is doing with Jr.
                    Big difference. Arum is paying for JCC Jr's TV dates not HBO.

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                    • B.U.R.N.E.R
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by DC Fight Fan
                      Big difference. Arum is paying for JCC Jr's TV dates not HBO.
                      Same thing applies. They are protecting both of them.

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