Who ranks higher ATG, Tyson or Calzaghe?

[YoungJab]

Looking at the comparison its actually quite close. Tyson is obviously the more popular figure but in boxing terms its close.

Look at Tyson:

A great short blaze for a few years and then 15 bad years even though he won 2 world titles during the 15years. He was youngest world champion

Look at Calzaghe:

11 year reign as champ, undefeated. Unified his divison

If you look at the opponents..

Tyson:

Spinks - Great lightheavyweight, undefeated. First man to beat Holmes
Holmes - Heavyweight legend...
Tucker - Undefeated, beaten good fighters and dont forget the HBO tournament.
Ruddock - feared dangerous heavyweight of late 80s and early 90s

Calzaghe:

Hopkins - old but proven to be dangerous since he beat a young Pavlik after Calzaghe fight.

Jones - Tbh, he was washed up.. only well I dont know who would think this is a good win. He is a legend like Holmes

Kessler - Undeafeted, dangerous like Tucker but Calzaghes win tarshied since Kessler lost recently

Lacy - Dangerous, Undefeated and was hyped up to the next IRON Mike Tyson.. LOL. This was a good win, no doubt

I would favour Tyson but its close because Tyson offers only a short few years but they were great few years and Calzaghe offers 11years but were they solid 11 years?

[Bright-Eyes]

I would favour Tyson but its close because Tyson offers only a short few years but they were great few years and Calzaghe offers 11years but were they solid 11 years?

In Tyson's resume you also have proven heavyweights who operated at a world class level,some of whom also captured world titles like-


frank bruno
bonecrusher smith
tyrel biggs
Carl Williams
Pinklon Thomas
Tony Tubbs
Trevor Berbick



Tyson consistently fought top heavyweights throughout his four and a half year run at the top.There were so many top fighters who Calzaghe didn't fight.

[John Hue]

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Im interested in why you didnt dissect Tysons best wins?

Tyson's best wins were clear cut. With Joe's the big names Hopkins, Jones and Eubanks were on the canned fight side. I felt that at the times the fights were fought,that is why I dissected them . I never had the same feeling with Tyson. I always had the niggling feeling with Joe that he always left something in the bag and never fully stepped up to the plate and took on the best when they were in their prime.



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This isnt about who had the most potential, but rather who achieved the most, If I remeber correctly Tyson only took the Holyfield fight because he believed he was over the hill and didnt he pay Lewis step a side money?[/QUOTE

That is your definition of ATG not mine. If you go by record and wins to losses of course by "THAT" definition Joe's record is better. But if you build that record by virtue of cautious selection some call it cherry picking but I don't go that far,where you deliberately choose opponents that you "should " beat without taking on real challenges this undermines the credibility of that record. That is my opinion of Joe,that is how I see his career and that is not a criticism but an observation and I have a lot of respect for Joe.
In my original piece I defined Tyson's career in two parts the Holyfield fight is in the less impressive second part and I agree with you.
Joe's career is in two parts also the Warren part which is full of canned fights after the Eubank fight and Lacy on-wards where he took on good opponents but I have aired my thoughts on those already.I also feel had Joe not been with Frank Warren we would have seen a far more exciting career, there may have been a loss or two on his record but his career would have been more complete and credible. Joe is a good guy ,people don't level the cherry picking accusation against him for no reason and no amount of trying to prove otherwise is going to change people's views that have that opinion.

[General Zod]

In Tyson's resume you also have proven heavyweights who operated at a world class level,some of whom also captured world titles like-


frank bruno
bonecrusher smith
tyrel biggs
Carl Williams
Pinklon Thomas
Tony Tubbs
Trevor Berbick



Tyson consistently fought top heavyweights throughout his four and a half year run at the top.There were so many top fighters who Calzaghe didn't fight.

Who do you have in mind?

[Verstyle]

Bad spelling, lol
At the end of the day its a case of who are your best wins and most noticable losses.I would say that Tyson has the better wins, but how would you factor in his losses?

Put it like this, Tyson had the bad 15 years while Calzaghe had the good 15 years. But Tysons first 3 years can accumulate to Calzaghes 9 years of fights with Tyson unifying the titles in that span. That's how I do it.

Calzaghe is good and I enjoy him, he's a good fighter with good heart.

[General Zod]

Put it like this, Tyson had the bad 15 years while Calzaghe had the good 15 years. But Tysons first 3 years can accumulate to Calzaghes 9 years of fights with Tyson unifying the titles in that span. That's how I do it.

Calzaghe is good and I enjoy him, he's a good fighter with good heart.

Cool. I can agree with that

[p4p-champ]

Calzaghe couldn't hold Tyson's jock strap. Tyson is easily the better ATG, its not even debatable.

[street bully]

Looking at the comparison its actually quite close. Tyson is obviously the more popular figure but in boxing terms its close.

Look at Tyson:

A great short blaze for a few years and then 15 bad years even though he won 2 world titles during the 15years. He was youngest world champion

Look at Calzaghe:

11 year reign as champ, undefeated. Unified his divison

If you look at the opponents..

Tyson:

Spinks - Great lightheavyweight, undefeated. First man to beat Holmes
Holmes - Heavyweight legend...
Tucker - Undefeated, beaten good fighters and dont forget the HBO tournament.
Ruddock - feared dangerous heavyweight of late 80s and early 90s

Calzaghe:

Hopkins - old but proven to be dangerous since he beat a young Pavlik after Calzaghe fight.

Jones - Tbh, he was washed up.. only well I dont know who would think this is a good win. He is a legend like Holmes

Kessler - Undeafeted, dangerous like Tucker but Calzaghes win tarshied since Kessler lost recently

Lacy - Dangerous, Undefeated and was hyped up to the next IRON Mike Tyson.. LOL. This was a good win, no doubt

I would favour Tyson but its close because Tyson offers only a short few years but they were great few years and Calzaghe offers 11years but were they solid 11 years?

Holmes was still doing damage and almost beat a prime Holyfield years later. He was past it, but was not shot like Jones was.

[Verstyle]

Who do you have in mind?

I think he means top fighters when he fought them. Only big one I can think of that he fought that was a top fighter of recent is Hopkins. Fu(k the age excuses, that dude was STILL a top fighter.

[cleaner147]

ok, to everybody who seriously post a REASON why Mike is higher in this disputed ATM-list is a clown.