Who ranks higher ATG, Tyson or Calzaghe?

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  • Pirao
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    #11
    Originally posted by wazaa.
    Mike Tyson easily. youngest world champion. he unified the titles in the beginning of his career at a very young age. everybody knows the Bhop and RJJ "W's" of Calzaghe don't count. if you take these two away you can clearly see Mike has a way better resume.
    Lol, why wouldn't the BHop win count for Calzaghe? Tyson was also beaten by a mediocre fighter in his prime, Calzaghe never lost.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Pirao
      Well, what do you think?

      Iron Mike by a mile and a half.

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        #13
        Originally posted by daggum
        i don't remember tyson taking a highly controversial split decision over holmes. or spinks. even though he lost to lewis and holyfield i don't remember him waiting till they were in their 40's and on the slide to fight them. he also had 11 fights in a row against top ten fighters or former champs. much better than only fighting 8 top ten fighters over a 10 year period like calzaghe did as he stalled fighting bums. perhaps that's why tyson is better.
        And I don't remember Calzaghe losing to mediocre fighters. In fact I don't remember Calzaghe losing. Calzaghe also has a record number of title defenses, and retired on top.

        Thanks for at least stating your arguments, unlike some of these idiots.

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        • General Zod
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          #14
          I was going to say Mike, but it is closer than people think:

          Mikes best wins:
          Spinks
          Holmes
          Tucker
          Ruddock

          Joes:
          Hopkins
          Kessler
          Eubank
          Lacey

          Im not sure, Ill let you know when I've made up my mind, lol

          EDIT: Tyson
          Last edited by General Zod; 02-23-2010, 12:16 PM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by TheGoossen
            I was going to say Mike, but it is much closer than people think:

            Mikes best wins:
            Spinks
            Holmes
            Tucker
            Ruddock

            Joes:
            Hopkins
            Kessler
            Eubank
            Lacey

            Im not sure, Ill let you know when Ive made up my mind, lol
            Do you agree that Hopkins still had more left when Calzaghe faced him, than Holmes had when Tyson faced him?

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            • bboy80
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              #16
              Prob Calzghe all though its is very close.

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              • General Zod
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                #17
                Originally posted by Pirao
                Do you agree that Hopkins still had more left when Calzaghe faced him, than Holmes had when Tyson faced him?
                Yeah Hopkins had more due to Holmes taking the fight on such short notice and coming out of retirement. Even Tyson said that Holmes looked out of shape

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by wazaa.
                  Mike Tyson easily. youngest world champion. he unified the titles in the beginning of his career at a very young age. everybody knows the Bhop and RJJ "W's" of Calzaghe don't count. if you take these two away you can clearly see Mike has a way better resume.
                  Whats so good about being the youngest hw champion? Clearly he wasnt ready for that kind of fame at that stage of his career. You have to look at it in terms of best wins, not belts accumulated

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                  • jthoang
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by TheGoossen
                    I was going to say Mike, but it is much closer than people think:

                    Mikes best wins:
                    Spinks
                    Holmes
                    Tucker
                    Ruddock

                    Joes:
                    Hopkins
                    Kessler
                    Eubank
                    Lacey

                    Im not sure, Ill let you know when Ive made up my mind, lol
                    Hopkins - Old/fading
                    Kessler - Overrated
                    Eubank - Old
                    Lacy - Just hype

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                    • John Hue
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                      #20
                      Tyson's early career was phenomenal . He was the youngest heavyweight champ ever and was totally dominant. He did not just beat fighters up he destroyed them. The overall level of opposition was better and Tyson took on all comers.
                      Joe's best wins were against old greats. The best win over Hopkins was very tight,many people feel Hopkins won that fight. Jones was past it and was never the same after going up to heavyweight. Kessler was a good win also but that win does not look so good now after the way Ward dealt with him.
                      I remember the Eubank fight and the build up to it, Eubank took the fight at very short notice and for me that took something from the win. Joe has a great unbeaten record and I consider him an exceptional fighter but I feel even he feels that his fight selection was on the cautious side and he could have taken on more challenging fights in the middle of his career.
                      Later in his career Tyson was not at his best but he did not duck and behaved like a champion. Looking at the records only tells part of the story,Tyson was great and would have been the GOAT if Cuss had stayed alive I just don't ever see Joe being at that level and feel he sold himself short legacy wise by being over concerned with his unbeaten record and his cautious selection of opponents and timing of fights.
                      I just feel a prime Mike Tyson was unbeatable or as close as you can get but there were fighters out there that could have beaten a Prime Joe. A young Roy Jones and Hopkins fall into that category.

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