Mosley has a better resume then Floyd because he lost to Winky and Vernon?

[Kilrain]

I admire the fact that Shane was willing to fight an undefeated Forrest, who was clearly an excellent, prime fighter who a lot of people wanted to avoid (and wanted him to avoid), and fight a bigger man, not to mention a great tactician in Winky Wright. Those 2 moves were more ballsy than anything Floyd's done in his whole career. Even now he's fighting Mosley, which is cool and all, Shane's coming off a big lay-off and is like 38 or 39 yrs of age

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

I admire the fact that Shane was willing to fight an undefeated Forrest, who was clearly an excellent, prime fighter who a lot of people wanted to avoid (and wanted him to avoid), and fight a bigger man, not to mention a great tactician in Winky Wright. Those 2 moves were more ballsy than anything Floyd's done in his whole career. Even now he's fighting Mosley, which is cool and all, Shane's coming off a big lay-off and is like 38 or 39 yrs of age

I guess Floyd fighting Hernandez at 21 years old with 18 fights while he was a still a prospect is not a risk?

Fighting a 33-0 Corralles at 130 wasn't a risk?

Fighting Castillo in your first 135 Pound fight wasn't a risk?

Then having a close fight where some said he lost and then re-matched Castillo asap wasn't a risk?

Fighting Oscar at 154 Pounds with small gloves and a small ring wasn't a risk?

[V.WEBB]

I guess Floyd Hernandez at 21 years old with 18 fights while he was a still a prospect is not a risk?

Fighting a 33-0 Corralles at 130 wasn't a risk?

Fighting Castillo in your first 135 Pound fight wasn't a risk?

Then having a close fight where some said he lost and then re-matched asap wasn't a risk?

Fighting Oscar at 154 Pounds with small gloves and a small ring wasn't a risk?

Those were indeed risks, but concerning Mayweather ppl tend to have selective memory.

[brown mamba]

Since when do you have to stand toe to toe to win a boxing fight?

hes not saying the resume alone determines how good you are. hes simply saying the wins on a persons resume says how great they are. yes odlh has a better resume than pac and a lot of fighters but that doesnt tell you he was a greater fighter. the good wins on a persons resume determines how great they are. i think thats what hes saying.

with that said, i do not completely agree with him about the whole resume and record thing. i think wins and losses impact your resume. for example, floyd and oscars resume. imo floyd got the better resume with championships in different weight classes and defeating all big names put in front of him. oscar has the better names but came up short in most of the big fights.

its like putting bad stuff along with good stuff on your resume when turning it in for a job interview. will the bad stuff have an effect on your resume?

[Wukillabeez78]

I guess Floyd fighting Hernandez at 21 years old with 18 fights while he was a still a prospect is not a risk?

Fighting a 33-0 Corralles at 130 wasn't a risk?

Fighting Castillo in your first 135 Pound fight wasn't a risk?

Then having a close fight where some said he lost and then re-matched Castillo asap wasn't a risk?

Fighting Oscar at 154 Pounds with small gloves and a small ring wasn't a risk?

Hernandez, Corralles, Castillo and rematch were all risks. Oscar was a threat to Mayweather (he could have won) but I wouldn't call it a real risk because everyone knew at that point in their respective careers that Floyd would outbox him.

What you listed is good though however I think it shows that Floyd hasn't taken any risks recently. If you want to count the De La Hoya fight as a risk you can (I don't) but what real risks (in terms of fighting opponents that have real skill or who are recognized as the best) has Mayweather taken in the last 7 or 8 years? The undeniable truth is that he has chosen to fight the Gatti's, Hatton's, Marquez's, Baldomir's, etc of the world instead of fighting the Mosley's, Cotto's, Margarito's, William's, etc...

The results of the poll show that most people feel your wins and LOSSES both build your resume, not just wins. Mosley's resume is better than Mayweather's resume, no way to doubt this. Mosley fought fighters that he could have avoided (that others avoided like Forrest/Wright) and has fought more good fighters who were still in their primes than Mayweather has. I like Mayweather as a fighter and feel he has the potential to beat anybody but he hasn't been doing it since he's gotten to 147. Beating Mosley (who still has plenty left in his tank) and then beating some of the other top welterweights (Pacquiao, Berto, etc..) will go a long way towards helping his resume. Unfortunately since he hasn't wanted to fight them they've been fighting one another (Cotto vs Margarito/Mosley vs Cotto, etc) and a victory over them doesn't carry the same weight it could have if he had fought them when he 1st came to welterweight almost 5 years ago now. If he really wants to leave little doubt as to who the best is he should fight a big, young, prime fighter (Paul Williams comes to mind) at 154 or even 160. He has the skills to do it (other true greats have done it like Sugar Ray Leonard coming out of retirement to fight Hagler at 160) but it remains to be seen if he has the guts to pull it off.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Hernandez, Corralles, Castillo and rematch were all risks. Oscar was a threat to Mayweather (he could have won) but I wouldn't call it a real risk because everyone knew at that point in their respective careers that Floyd would outbox him.


Oscar was more then a live dog. No one knew how Floyd would look at 154 Pounds fighting the biggest fighter and hardest hitting fighter of his career.

What you listed is good though however I think it shows that Floyd hasn't taken any risks recently. If you want to count the De La Hoya fight as a risk you can (I don't) but what real risks (in terms of fighting opponents that have real skill or who are recognized as the best) has Mayweather taken in the last 7 or 8 years?
The undeniable truth is that he has chosen to fight the Gatti's, Hatton's, Marquez's, Baldomir's, etc of the world instead of fighting the Mosley's, Cotto's, Margarito's, William's, etc...


The fact is that Gatti was a high ranked 140 Pounder. Hatton was a P4P Fighter. JMM was a tune up but nonetheless a P4P Number 2 and Baldimir was the WW Champ of the World. Thats revisionists history at its finest. When those fights were made there were alot of people on here saying Floyd would lose. Hell Brian Kenny on ESPN said Floyd was ducking Baldi and Hatton.

He also been trying to fight Mosley for about ten years now. He wanted Shane at 135 Pounds . Mosley moved up to fight at 147 Pounds.

He also told Margarito to his face that he would fight him down the road when its a bigger and better fight. What does Marg do? Turns around and loses to a prospect named Paul Williams. He also said he would love to fight Cotto but that he needed to become his own boss. In other words he didnt want to work with Arum. Arum and Floyd hate each other. How did those Pac vs. Floyd taslks turn out again? Point proven. He salso signed to fight Shane. The P4P Number 3 and the Number 1 WW. Cant knock that.

The results of the poll show that most people feel your wins and LOSSES both build your resume, not just wins. Mosley's resume is better than Mayweather's resume, no way to doubt this. Mosley fought fighters that he could have avoided (that others avoided like Forrest/Wright) and has fought more good fighters who were still in their primes than Mayweather has.


Your resume is just your wins. If you want to see hes fought better fighters then fine. But he does not have a better resume then Floyd. You dont get credit for getting your ass beat.


I like Mayweather as a fighter and feel he has the potential to beat anybody but he hasn't been doing it since he's gotten to 147. Beating Mosley (who still has plenty left in his tank) and then beating some of the other top welterweights (Pacquiao, Berto, etc..) will go a long way towards helping his resume. Unfortunately since he hasn't wanted to fight them they've been fighting one another (Cotto vs Margarito/Mosley vs Cotto, etc) and a victory over them doesn't carry the same weight it could have if he had fought them when he 1st came to welterweight almost 5 years ago now. If he really wants to leave little doubt as to who the best is he should fight a big, young, prime fighter (Paul Williams comes to mind) at 154 or even 160. He has the skills to do it (other true greats have done it like Sugar Ray Leonard coming out of retirement to fight Hagler at 160) but it remains to be seen if he has the guts to pull it off.

Williams can make 147. But they fight will never happen. They are both managed by Haymon. How dont the victories carry the same weight? Mosley is the P4P Number 3 and the Number 1 WW. Pac is the Number 1 P4P and the Number 2 WW. I'd take Mosley and Pac over Cotto and Marg anyday of the week.

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[guru]

there is no doubt in mind that the forrest that fought shane in their first match would have beat the **** out of floyd

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

there is no doubt in mind that the forrest that fought shane in their first match would have beat the **** out of floyd

Great. There is no doubt in my mind that Shane can NOT go through 5 weight classes undefeated.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Zab Judah's GREAT resume

Spinks
Floyd- Loss
Cotto- Loss
Clottey-Loss
Kosta-Loss


Clowns.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

zab judah's great resume

spinks
floyd- loss
cotto- loss
clottey-loss
kosta-loss


clowns.

bumpppppppppppppppppppppppppppp