Haye is a decent HW but come on people.

[PensionKiller]

lol aside from actually facing off vs eachother what would you suggest is a better way to compare the level they are at than a common opponent within a short period of time.

especially since that punching bag managed to hurt Haye now didn't he.

- i didn't say he'd beat Haye "no matter what" i said Solis along with the others mentioned are all reasonable opponents that could be capable of giving Haye a tough fight and possibly beating him. Which is accurate.

Barrett was getting beat up and Haye got careless. Haye slipped into that punch, and that punch did hurt him. If Haye wasn't slipping, he would have made Barrett miss that punch IMO.

Anyone can hurt anyone at heavyweight if they connect.

Barrett was indeed a punching bag. He was dropping left, right and centre. The man even dropped in his ring entrance

[Pugilistic™]

I personally don't think Haye is anything special.

He has good speed and power, and can box a little bit but thats it really.

The Valuev win was hardly a great achivement also, A 46 year old way past it Holyfield beat Valuev in similar fashion and to sum it all up, Valuev is one of the ****test heavy champs we have ever had.

Haye has got to do more to get credit for me.

[Khmelnytsky]

Barrett was getting beat up and Haye got careless. Haye slipped into that punch, and that punch did hurt him. If Haye wasn't slipping, he would have made Barrett miss that punch IMO.

Anyone can hurt anyone at heavyweight if they connect.

Barrett was indeed a punching bag. He was dropping left, right and centre. The man even dropped in his ring entrance

Had Dempsey not dropped Willard 7 times in the first round and broken his face Willard would have retained his title.

Had Conn not got caught he would have won a decision over Louis.


"Haye slipped into a punch" is rather oxymoronic, i thought the whole point of slipping was to avoid punches?
(i'm joking around - that just sounded funny)

lmao i forgot about the ring entrance. That **** was golden.

[Earl-Hickey]

Had Dempsey not dropped Willard 7 times in the first round and broken his face Willard would have retained his title.

Had Conn not got caught he would have won a decision over Louis.


"Haye slipped into a punch" is rather oxymoronic, i thought the whole point of slipping was to avoid punches?
(i'm joking around - that just sounded funny)

lmao i forgot about the ring entrance. That **** was golden.

His basic argument was Valid though, Haye should of closed the show long before he got hit.

It's his own fault he got dropped.