y do the mayweather haters ignore that marquez wanted floyd

[El Castigador]

That is do the the way he trains. His training is about about reptition, adapting and memorizing...which is why you constantly see him and Roger on the pads. Again people laugh but that is the key to Floyd's ring IQ.

I say this because I use to do the same thing when I played b-ball and Football. I would spend hours upon hours each day going through every possible reaction/move my opponent could make. That way when I actually got in the game everything seemed like it was in slow motion. It's hard to explain but I know what it's like for Floyd when he is in the ring boxing. He has every scenario plaid out in his head to where the fight is so slow and he can control everything.


Pacquaio also does this and is just as good if not better than May in this department. There are some punches where pac just throws, even without looking or out of positon, and still lands with picture perfect accurancy.

Not to d1ck ride pac but here are a few examples

In Marquez II he ducks under a Marquez left, throw his own straight left and lands perfectly on Marquez chin without looking

In his Cotto fight (the second KD) he lands a right steps to the side and throws a left uppercut (knowing Cotto will be coming forward and the right lands). What happens in Cotto walks right into the uppercut and does his infamous salsa dance.

I can say that when Pac threw the "fake jab feint"..lol.. Against Hatton and hit him with that right hook. THAT **** was impressive.

Im anxious to see how he looks vs. Mayweather though. A fighter that wont engage, a fighter that can time you, hit you and vanish from in front of you in that order in one motion.

[Khalid X]

Austin, Johnson, Guzman and Casa come to mind.

Johnson was the slickest fighter as far as 115-122. The fight could have happened if Johnson would have stayed longer at 112 but he moved up because 115 was wide open due to Tapia leaving.

But for some odd reason Almost all those fighters were boxer punchers/brawlers 115-126. I still don't know why, but all I know is that they made for exciting fights.

Kelley
Jones
Barrera
Morales
Ayala
Tapia
Norwood
Austin
Ledbawa
McCullough
Gainer
Sanchez
Chacon

and almost everyone I could think of around that time fight a boxer/brawler type style. I think it had to do with no one caring about their fights and them adopting a more fan friendly fight style to sell fights. Marquez was different than everyone else but due to that he was always step-sonned as far as people giving a FVkk about his fights.

Tapia, Morales, Hamed and Barrera were the type of fighter that threw defense out the window and went balls to wall all fight long. They were the most popular, got the HBO dates, and made the most money so I think other fighers around those classes saw that and fought that type of style.

[Fox McCloud]

dude, that was'nt for you....practice what you preach, please!

did i say that?......

Christ you are dumb.

We were talking about the "slick, defensive-minded" fighters that Pacquiao didn't fight.

You piped up and said something about Rafael Marquez, so... I was correcting you.

[El Castigador]

It would have been nuts. I haven't seen a ton of Tszyu, but he's a damn good boxer puncher.

I think Mosley's speed and chin would have worn Tszyu down throughout the fight for a Mosley victory.

But even so, Mosley jumped up to welter to fight P4P #1 Oscar De La Hoya. It's hard to complain about that.

Mayweather vs. Tszyu would have been tight. That is one fight that I believe had nothing to do with either fighter avoiding each other. I think it was HBO vs. Showtime, which is just really frustrating.

Mayweather had been calling his name since 130. I definitely think he was serious about wanting Kostya Tszyu.

Yeah I got Shane in that fight. We have to remember Judah was ****ing Zu up early in that fight. His speed was insane. Until well you know....

Man I wouldve loved Mayweather vs. Zu. Mayweather has called him out several times . He even said he was a big fan.

"I would love to fight Kostya Tszyu,” Mayweather said. “If the money's right, I'll go to Russia to fight him. I just want to show I'm the best. But with HBO and Showtime, I know it's going to be hard to make the fight."

But yeah HBO/Shotime = NO chance back then.

Arum/Mayweather beef has already killed a couple fights. I hope it doesnt kill Pac vs. Floyd.

[El Castigador]

Johnson was the slickest fighter as far as 115-122. The fight could have happened if Johnson would have stayed longer at 112 but he moved up because 115 was wide open due to Tapia leaving.

But for some odd reason Almost all those fighters were boxer punchers/brawlers 115-126. I still don't know why, but all I know is that they made for exciting fights.

Kelley
Jones
Barrera
Morales
Ayala
Tapia
Norwood
Austin
Ledbawa
McCullough
Gainer
Sanchez
Chacon

and almost everyone I could think of around that time fight a boxer/brawler type style. I think it had to do with no one caring about their fights and them adopting a more fan friendly fight style to sell fights. Marquez was different than everyone else but due to that he was always step-sonned as far as people giving a FVkk about his fights.

Tapia, Morales, Hamed and Barrera were the type of fighter that threw defense out the window and went balls to wall all fight long. They were the most popular, got the HBO dates, and made the most money so I think other fighers around those classes saw that and fought that type of style.

Yeah I noticed that as well. Not really Pacs fault. But he has a chance to fix that against Floyd. And people say Floyd never fought someone on his level so he has a chance to correct that if they fight.

Raheem vs. Manny would've been interesting. People say he was weight drained so I dont see why not move up to 135 and fight Raheem.

[Khalid X]

austin and johnson but no rafa?.....lol.....if pac did'nt skip weightclasses he would be a 9 didv champ now........jmm >>>>guzman and casa

Honestly both Marquez brother shocked me. Rafa didn't come onto the scene until he beat Austin. Austin was a hot prospect and one of the most impressive 118 lbs. I had seen in a long time. Rafa beat the **** outta that guy and made a name for himself. Only problem was, If I'm not mistaken, it happened in 01 and by then Pac had already moved up an on. Marquez shocked the hell outa me when he beat gainer because Gainer had all the tools to become the man at 126. I even called gainer a bum for losing to a sorry a$$ Marquez. Never would I have imaged that Marquez was that good (as seen by his later fights.) After that....never again have I critized a fighter for losing a fight to an unkown guy because you never know how good that unkown fighter is.

[carts]

Everyone called out Floyd, but yet he chose to fight a featherweight. Floyd could have just made a tune up even agaisnt a Jr Welter at least then fight Shane Mosley, then Pac. This would be a good way for him to have gotten some respect from the critics, but the JMM fight was just a hoemove

this post alone OWNED this thread so i guess its

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[Khalid X]

Yeah, I'm having trouble thinking of slick fighters as well.

Jones was pretty beaten up by the time Pacquiao got to 122. Freddie Norwood was shot to **** too.

Austin and Johnson fought in weight classes that Pacquiao skipped.

Was Ledwaba slick? I know nothing about him.

naah ledwaba was not slick at all. I think you didn't see too many slick fighter back then because those fighters already weren't making alot of money and by fighting "slick" you defiantly weren't selling fights.

Kelley, Jones, Hamed and a few others had the ability to fight slick (as seen several times throughout the begining of their careers) but that isn't what sold tickets and got them paid. After Hamed opened the door for little guys by bringing attention to the lower weight classes...we know see more smaller guys fighting diverse styles instead of fighting brawls to get fans/attention.

[El Castigador]

this post alone OWNED this thread so i guess its

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Marquez was a tune up fight. I thought everyone knew this.

[Khalid X]

Yeah I noticed that as well. Not really Pacs fault. But he has a chance to fix that against Floyd. And people say Floyd never fought someone on his level so he has a chance to correct that if they fight.

Raheem vs. Manny would've been interesting. People say he was weight drained so I dont see why not move up to 135 and fight Raheem.

Well what happened was that Manny was on a roll after he beat Barrera and even got the nickname "the Mexicutioner" (I lived in South Texas and the Every Mexican I knew hated Manny because of that). He then ran into Morales and got completely outclasses. Morales was even toying with him in the later rounds and seen by him switching stances and still working pac. Afterwards the only thing on Manny's mind was a rematch, and even though Morales got outboxed by Raheem, Manny still wanted to redeem himself.

I don't blame Pac for picking Morales instead of Raheem. If you rewatch that fight there is no way Pac, or any fighter, could live with not atleast trying to redeem himself.

Since your a Pwill fan a good analogy was when PWilll was on a hot streak. He had completely owned Mitchell and also beaten the supposeling "Most avoided WW in Margarito". The stars were aligning for him to get a big shot at a title then Quintana happened. I know for a fact that the only thing on Pwill mind was to avenge that loss because even after the fight Paul knew Quintana wasn't better than him...he just had a bad night. Paul just like Manny proceeded to redeem themselves and did so in a brutal fashion. Both beat the **** outta the guys who had killed their buzz.....so agian I have no issues with someone wanted to seek revenge.