The Wright vs Tito fight kinda put's Bernards win into perspective?

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Like I said my friend, it's always easy to ask questions, wait for a reply, and then demand clarification from other posters. Again, let's hear what you actually think about Wright's success against Tito and how that success should influence our perception of Hopkins. That was your original question, wasn't it?

I've checked your posts, as you suggested, and, as I suspected, there's nothing there, really. Not once have you referred directly to Tito vs Wright in comparison to Tito vs Hopkins, in an effort to compare those two Tito defeats. Care to weigh-in on your own question? Come on, it'll be fun.

If you do care to respond, recall that your dear Calzaghe hasn't strayed too far from Supermiddle has he? Be careful, remember that "great" Johnny Owen didn't make a move away from Bantamweight, yet you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in the UK that would challenge him (except maybe those who accept your logic) for staying at his natural weight, right? There's many more "great" fighetrs who moved neither up or down, it's just that Zaghe and Owen came to mind first.

By the way, in comparison, I agree 100% with you that De La Hoya should never have wandered up to Middle. In that regard, I guess Calzaghe is smarter than Oscar.

Well 1st off... There's no need for sarcastic comments! "Come on, it'll be fun". I'm not here to argue about boxing, I'm here to discuss it! I'm entitled to my own opinion as are you, And I'm interested in you opinion (if you know what you're talking about), I find myself quickly filtering through the argumentative types.

I think that Tito was just "WAITING" to be taught a boxing lesson before Hopkins got his hands on him. I did at the time - (just before the Tito vs Hopkins fight) see Tito as a gold trophey just waiting to be taken! - There are other fighters out there at the moment I do aswell... But wait... I'm not negative, there are also some fighters that I have strong deep feeling are the future of boxing!

There's not too much I can say without going back over what I said further up on this thread...

Tito has been a little bit of a sitting duck for quite a long time now, I felt it was just a case of, the 1st slick boxer takes the ***el!

That happened to be Bernard Hopkins.

[Moon]

Hey, Martin. "It'll be fun" is alot softer than your previous comment to me about "knowing everything". I meant it though, it'll be fun. Nothing more.

Trouble is, there's no way Winky's defeat of Trinidad makes Hops defeat of Trinidad any less important. It's been four years since Tito got himself KTFO on the receiving end of a flush Hopkins right hand. It was beautiful. It still is. Wright's win changes nothing.

Your true gripe seems to be Calzaghe not getting respect, while Hopkins gets "great" staus. Get over it, it's for real. Hopkins' place in the Boxing Hall of Fame is secure and Calzaghe will be a candidate who will have to be balloted "in".

I'm very tired of hearing the same old (and very tiresome) argument that Hopkins was a wuss for his stay-at-home attitude. If you slag Hopkins for not moving up, you gotta' mention Hagler too then and many many other "greats".

What you need Martin is a Winky-Hopkins showdown, eh? Maybe we all need it.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Hey, Martin. "It'll be fun" is alot softer than your previous comment to me about "knowing everything". I meant it though, it'll be fun. Nothing more.

I took it the wrong way...

Trouble is, there's no way Winky's defeat of Trinidad makes Hops defeat of Trinidad any less important. It's been four years since Tito got himself KTFO on the receiving end of a flush Hopkins right hand. It was beautiful. It still is. Wright's win changes nothing.

I still think Tito was trophy waiting to be taken, as Oscar laid out the blue print...

Your true gripe seems to be Calzaghe not getting respect, while Hopkins gets "great" staus. Get over it, it's for real. Hopkins' place in the Boxing Hall of Fame is secure and Calzaghe will be a candidate who will have to be balloted "in".

You're close, almost there.... My gripe is that FAR greater fighters get absolutly NO recognition where as mediocre Americans get labelled as hall of fammers!

I'm very tired of hearing the same old (and very tiresome) argument that Hopkins was a wuss for his stay-at-home attitude. If you slag Hopkins for not moving up, you gotta' mention Hagler too then and many many other "greats".

I'm more tired of hearing Hopkins shouting, "THEY'RE ALL AFRAID TO COME UP IN WEIGHT AND FIGHT A REAL MAN!!!... THEY ALL EAT LIKE MODELS COZ' THEY'RE AFRAID OF ME!!!... *******!!!!"

What you need Martin is a Winky-Hopkins showdown, eh? Maybe we all need it.

You're right man... That's what we all need!. And I will be cheering for WRIGHT!... Only the thing is, we'll be treading over old ground again. It's ANOTHER FIGHTER coming up in weight to face Bernard...

It makes me wanna give up!... LOL!..

[Shaolin Bushido]

Well we all saw how easily Tito was out-boxed by Wright last night... It was MORE one-sided than when Hopkins fought Trinidad.

The only difference being Trinidad came up in weight to fight Bernard where as Wright came up in weight to fight Trinidad.

Bernards career is still running solely on the fact that he beat Trinidad back in 2001'. He's fought Carl Daniels - Morrad Hakker - Robert Allen - Willaim Sloppy - Howard Eastman - And poor De La Hoya trying to fight 3 weight classes above himself. Bernard has hardly fought WORLD beater's since his one big fight against the "limited" Trinidad.

So I ask... Did Winky Wright show us last night exactly how much of a fraud Hopkins really is?

So you're saying you were ****** enough to be deluded despite all the "evidence" you've cited?

Hahaha, seriously man. Hopkins is no fraud. Your whole premise is fraudulent though.

No matter how bad you may hate it, you can't re-write history to suit your own little world.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Hell, Wright beat him nearly 3 years later ... 3 years of sitting on his ass and gaining fat so that he can weigh in at 160. Then he beats up a pudgy little welterweight and that's supposed to make this win as credible as Bernards?

You're not serious.

[IwatchBoxing]

Bernard Hopkins is a record holder, and a top ten all time middleweight, and beat two greats.
FUN FACT: Trinidad defended his belt 18 times at Welterweight, and beat three all time greats.

[Manny_P]

Bernard Hopkins is a record holder, and a top ten all time middleweight, and beat two greats.
FUN FACT: Trinidad defended his belt 18 times at Welterweight.

Any news bout Tito brah?

[Shaolin Bushido]

Dude, I have you on "ignore" but I'm glad I chose to view that post. It's true what you say; I think he's started to decline but even then nothing can ever take away from what he's accomplished in boxing.

Same with Tito.

[Dark Destroyer]

So I ask... Did Winky Wright show us last night exactly how much of a fraud Hopkins really is?

Hopkins is no fraud, Winky showed us all the great fighter he really is.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

You know what guy's... Maybe that's why my post aren't so high... (I wondered why some people have only been a member for 2 or 3 months and have 1,500 posts) - Because before posting on a thread I HAVE to read all the posts on it before hand, so not to cover old ground and make myself look out of place...