The Wright vs Tito fight kinda put's Bernards win into perspective?

[rge]

I don't diss-agree with Hopkins fighting De La Hoya or Trinidad even though they were smaller... It makes perfect financial and career sense, And was definatly a good move for him!

Yes, he accepted these fight because of money and legacy (Tito and DLH are well known boxers). I think that the bad move were for them weighting more than they should.

The problem I have with Hopkins is that when he's finished fighting them guy's he goes back to fighting Carl Daniels - Morrad Hakker - William Sloppy - Robert Allen - Howard Eastman... He doesn't seem to want to show how great he can be by then moving up and fighting the super-middleweight Champion or the light-heavyweight champion to show everyone how good he can be.

I disagree, I like to see every fighter at his best weight: BHop at 160, DLH between 135 and 147, Tito between 140 and 154.

He just sit on it, waiting for another welterweight champion to decide to move up in weight again. (thus looking for the little guy/risk-free fights).

He fought these two little guys for money and legacy. You forgot that he fought bigger guys than him.

I think Hopkins is a good fighter, but we'll never know how good because he never showed us. If he went up to super-middleweight and beat Calzaghe I would shut the F**k up! And the only things you'd hear coming from my mouth would be praise for the guy.

But I know Hopkins is never gonna take the risk and go up and fight Joe Calzaghe - For two reasons. Calzaghe WOULD be a very hard nights work!... Calzaghe's bigger, he hits like a kick from a mule, and Calzaghe will be looking to take Hopkins head off from round 1 through to round 12. Hopkins Will get hit a lot in that fight.

Fortunately both BHop and Calzaghe are fighting in their class, as it sould be.

And the other reason would be, Hopkins doesn't want to get hurt... He doesn't want to get hit. He's happy fighting the smaller guy's where he can dictate the pace and keep them off him because he's bigger.

Wrong. You are biased here. Look at all his fights and you will se boxers thicker than him (Allen) ohters are natural middleweights, and some of them even went up in weight up to heavyweight (Roy Jones).

[FrankJack]

On the real, I don't see what all the fuss is about Hopkins. You wanna see him brawl a bit, check earlier in his career. Does, this fight make Hopkins look like a fraud? I don't think so. Why is it when one good fighter beats a fighter that another good fighter beat, the first fighter is suddenly discredited? If Winky was a chump I could see the logic in that, but he's pretty far from being that.

People bash Hopkins for beating Oscar in a mismatch, but didn't Winky fight Mosely TWICE? And nobody on this site can be real with themselves and tell me that Shane vs. Ronald was not a mismatch both times. With Shane originally coming from a lower weight class and fighting a bigger fighter just as Oscar did and just as Trinidad did, why hasn't Winky been bashed for this? Didn't he also lose to Fernando Vargas who was formerly in the 140 somethin weight class?

Let's be real, everytime previously, when cats were sayin that Hopkins was gonna lose he came out with the W. How many years has it been now? 12? Maybe I'm wrong, but if Hopkins was a fraud, shouldn't someone have exposed this by now? Everyone thought Eastman would've done it to the old man, but he couldn't realize that no matter how much he walked straight forward it wasn't gonna be a brawl. Everyone thought Tito would do it and he got knocked out initiating a one-sided brawl that Bernard gladly accepted (and regardless of what you wanna say, nobody can say Tito can't hit).

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Fortunately both BHop and Calzaghe are fighting in their class, as it sould be.

Wrong. You are biased here. Look at all his fights and you will see boxers thicker than him (Allen) ohters are natural middleweights, and some of them even went up in weight up to heavyweight (Roy Jones).

I mentioned this quote earlier in the thread:

"I have nothing wrong with people staying in their weight class all their career, but if there's no one else around to fight you've gotta go up or down and seek out the top guy's, as MANY MANY others have done.

I have SOOOO much more respect for a guy like De La Hoya for at least trying to go up to 160lb and win. He showed that he's not scared, and that he's got a lot of heart. He looked so much smaller in the ring than Hopkins... And he lost, so what. He had the courage to take a gamble and try."

To be honest with you, Robert Allen may have been a couple of pounds heavier than Hopkins... But Robert Allen was ****.

[rge]

I mentioned this quote earlier in the thread:

"I have nothing wrong with people staying in their weight class all their career, but if there's no one else around to fight you've gotta go up or down and seek out the top guy's, as MANY MANY others have done.

I have SOOOO much more respect for a guy like De La Hoya for at least trying to go up to 160lb and win. He showed that he's not scared, and that he's got a lot of heart. He looked so much smaller in the ring than Hopkins... And he lost, so what. He had the courage to take a gamble and try."

DLH did that to be the only one to win 6 titles in 6 categories, not because he has courage, two different things.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

DLH did that to be the only one to win 6 titles in 6 categories, not because he has courage, two different things.

That's ludicrious... DLH had already won the WBO belt at that stage, so was already considered a 6 weight champion (argueable I admit).

He was fighting at several weight divisions above himself, and that takes tremendous courage. Not only that... He challenged the undisputed middleweight champion.

I don't understand the "two different things" you said... Either you're just winding me up?... Or you don't know what you're talking about?

[rge]

That's ludicrious... DLH had already won the WBO belt at that stage, so was already considered a 6 weight champion (argueable I admit).

He was fighting at several weight divisions above himself, and that takes tremendous courage. Not only that... He challenged the undisputed middleweight champion.

I don't understand the "two different things" you said... Either you're just winding me up?... Or you don't know what you're talking about?

I know what I'm talking about. DLH said some years before that he wants six belts in different categories. And as you said although he has the WBO belt he wanted more belts in that category, and better ones.

Yes he needs some courage to go up, but I wanted to say that he didn't do it to show courage, but because he wants the belts. Hope it's clear now.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

I know what I'm talking about. DLH said some years before that he wants six belts in different categories. And as you said although he has the WBO belt he wanted more belts in that category, and better ones.

Yes he needs some courage to go up, but I wanted to say that he didn't do it to show courage, but because he wants the belts. Hope it's clear now.

Yeah that makes more sense... I'm not a De La Hoya fan, I don't really look forward to his fights. (To be honest I was always kinda baffeled as to how he earnt so much money and had such a following - Coz' he wasn't that exciting to watch).

But I've always admired the fact that he hasn't ducked anyone. He's gone for the best in each division... And that means more to me than defending the same belt in the same weight class to the same people over and over again.

[rge]

Yeah that makes more sense... I'm not a De La Hoya fan, I don't really look forward to his fights. (To be honest I was always kinda baffeled as to how he earnt so much money and had such a following - Coz' he wasn't that exciting to watch).

I too am surprised on guys like him making millions and millions, while others that deserve credid doesn't.

But I've always admired the fact that he hasn't ducked anyone. He's gone for the best in each division... And that means more to me than defending the same belt in the same weight class to the same people over and over again.

Moving in weight works when you can carry the weight, DLH was so much over at 160 that he almost draw with Sturm and lost to BHop. I prefer to see him again, between 135 and 147, and forget about the belts. I also prefer Pacman at 122, Morales at 122-130, but not 135 like he said he could move.

I personally respect a boxer that never move to other weight classes and didn't duck anyone at his weight class.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Moving in weight works when you can carry the weight, DLH was so much over at 160 that he almost draw with Sturm and lost to BHop. I prefer to see him again, between 135 and 147, and forget about the belts. I also prefer Pacman at 122, Morales at 122-130, but not 135 like he said he could move.

I personally respect a boxer that never move to other weight classes and didn't duck anyone at his weight class.

I'd prefer to see Pacquiao at 122lb or 126lb And I think that DLH lost to Felix Sturm!... It was bent American judges!

Morlaes though... Imagine he went up to 135lbs and beat Diego Corrlaes, (he could move back down after) - I reckon that Morlaes could out-box Corrales on the back foot!

Morales would cement himself in the all time greats!... He did the impossible!!!

It's worth the gamble I reckon!

[Moon]

It would be easier if you scroll up and read the posts on this thread... But give me one sec and I'll do a quick copy and paste for you... Actually I can't be bothered... Just scroll up.

Like I said my friend, it's always easy to ask questions, wait for a reply, and then demand clarification from other posters. Again, let's hear what you actually think about Wright's success against Tito and how that success should influence our perception of Hopkins. That was your original question, wasn't it?

I've checked your posts, as you suggested, and, as I suspected, there's nothing there, really. Not once have you referred directly to Tito vs Wright in comparison to Tito vs Hopkins, in an effort to compare those two Tito defeats. Care to weigh-in on your own question? Come on, it'll be fun.

If you do care to respond, recall that your dear Calzaghe hasn't strayed too far from Supermiddle has he? Be careful, remember that "great" Johnny Owen didn't make a move away from Bantamweight, yet you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in the UK that would challenge him (except maybe those who accept your logic) for staying at his natural weight, right? There's many more "great" fighetrs who moved neither up or down, it's just that Zaghe and Owen came to mind first.

By the way, in comparison, I agree 100% with you that De La Hoya should never have wandered up to Middle. In that regard, I guess Calzaghe is smarter than Oscar.