What created more doubt in your Mind?

[incredible]

I never gave a crap about what Mayweather Sr. had to say about anything, but it was Pacquiao's own actions that created more doubt in my mind then anything anyone could say about him.

My question is simply this;

What created more doubt in the mind of fans and tainted Pacquiao's legacy more; the baseless allegations or the actions of Pacquiao and his camp?

I have no doubts that Pacquiao is clean... The PED's bull**** was just something that Sr. fabricated out of thin air to tarnish Manny's image and accomplishments. Jr. just took it a little further when he asked for the Olympic-style drug test --- basically implying that Pacquiao was using PED's --a slap in the face if you will... The other thing is: Pacquiao was not against doing the test; nor was he scared to take the test, he just wanted a fair cut off date. Something that neither side could agree upon leading to the fight being a no go. It also gave Floyd the perfect back door excuse to pull out of a fight with Pacquiao because of Pacquiao's unwillingness to comply with what Mayweather wanted. Which is sick IMO because here's a ***ing guy saying that Manny's easy work and easy fight; can beat him with or with PED's, and yet he still pushed for this bull**** test... Going by what he believes and if he believes in himself that strongly...why the ***ing big deal with this drug test? That's like the hole rematch clause with SSM -- I mean god damn an insurance policy that if you get your ass beat...you automatically get a rematch...get the *** out here... The truth is this piece **** ant confident in what he's selling, otherwise he wouldn't have asked for the clause with SSM, and he wouldn't have made such a big deal over the drug test (if he believe that Manny was that easy of a fight)... This mother ***ers so jealous of Manny that he can't help himself but talk about a fighter that he couldn't beat in the ring -- so since he can't beat him in the ring -- beat him outside the ring... What a ***ing joke!

You asked what tainted him the most....what the ***...you have to be gulity of wrong doing before you can be tainted... His legacy is straight until proven otherwise...

[Pullcounter]

The poll says different.

der, because you only give 2 options dumbass

[AllEyesOpen]

I have no doubts that Pacquiao is clean... The PED's bull**** was just something that Sr. fabricated out of thin air to tarnish Manny's image and accomplishments. Jr. just took it a little further when he asked for the Olympic-style drug test --- basically implying that Pacquiao was using PED's --a slap in the face if you will... The other thing is: Pacquiao was not against doing the test; nor was he scared to take the test, he just wanted a fair cut off date. Something that neither side could agree upon leading to the fight being a no go. It also gave Floyd the perfect back door excuse to pull out of a fight with Pacquiao because of Pacquiao's unwillingness to comply with what Mayweather wanted. Which is sick IMO because here's a ***ing guy saying that Manny's easy work and easy fight; can beat him with or with PED's, and yet he still pushed for this bull**** test... Going by what he believes and if he believes in himself that strongly...why the ***ing big deal with this drug test? That's like the hole rematch clause with SSM -- I mean god damn an insurance policy that if you get your ass beat...you automatically get a rematch...get the *** out here... The truth is this piece **** ant confident in what he's selling, otherwise he wouldn't have asked for the clause with SSM, and he wouldn't have made such a big deal over the drug test (if he believe that Manny was that easy of a fight)... This mother ***ers so jealous of Manny that he can't help himself but talk about a fighter that he couldn't beat in the ring -- so since he can't beat him in the ring -- beat him outside the ring... What a ***ing joke!

You asked what tainted him the most....what the ***...you have to be gulity of wrong doing before you can be tainted... His legacy is straight until proven otherwise...

First of all Mayweather wanted the random blood testing performed by the WADA, with them performing the test, it would have to be random, they can't accept set dates, which was Manny first attempt to bypass the testing. Pacquiao wanted set dates for all 3 blood test he was willing to take a month before the fight. Then he wanted a 30 day cut off so he could do hard training, as if Mayweather isn't in the same kind of training himself and still willing to undergo these tests, as well as Mosley. Mayweather decided to meet at the middle with a 14 day cut off, a perfectly reasonable compromise, and Pac refused.

So tell me who tried to make this fight happen more?

Not to mention you acting as though a rematch clause in a contract is out of the ordinary, and claim that Mayweather's jealous let's me know that your one of the people who feel Pacquiao is a god and can do no wrong and knows very little about boxing.

Again I was always a fan of Pacquiao and would still like to support him, but god blessed me with this thing called common sense and there's no way I can rationalize the actions of Pac and his camp in this situation.

[incredible]

First of all Mayweather wanted the random blood testing performed by the WADA, with them performing the test, it would have to be random, they can't accept set dates, which was Manny first attempt to bypass the testing. Pacquiao wanted set dates for all 3 blood test he was willing to take a month before the fight. Then he wanted a 30 day cut off so he could do hard training, as if Mayweather isn't in the same kind of training himself and still willing to undergo these tests, as well as Mosley. Mayweather decided to meet at the middle with a 14 day cut off, a perfectly reasonable compromise, and Pac refused.

So tell me who tried to make this fight happen more?

Not to mention you acting as though a rematch clause in a contract is out of the ordinary, and claim that Mayweather's jealous let's me know that your one of the people who feel Pacquiao is a god and can do no wrong and knows very little about boxing.

Again I was always a fan of Pacquiao and would still like to support him, but god blessed me with this thing called common sense and there's no way I can rationalize the actions of Pac and his camp in this situation.

The way I see it: Mayweather asking for that drug test was nothing more then to harass Pacquiao, and his way of saying that your a dirty fighter. Tell me something if he was so adamant about cleaning up the sport as claims to be -- why didn't this whole crusade of cleaning up the sport start with JMM? Where is the common sense of asking a guy to take random drug test; when the guy's never failed any of his required drug test in the past; nor has there every been any accusation of foul play (until Sr's ass accused him of being dirty), so why out of no where ask for such a test? Let's see: Sr started this ****, and low and behold negotiations get started, and guess what; there's a drug test clause, but not just any drug test, a random Olympic-style drug test -- wow what coincidence Pacquiao doesn't agree because he feels it will affect his training and his ability to be 100% ready come fight night -- obviously he's superstitious and believes that by doing random blood testing it will weaken him -- so with that in mind he's already defeated. Why in the hell is he going to sign off on something when he himself knows he's not going to be 100% going into the fight mentally? It's like a baseball player going into a game without his lucky # -- physiologically he's already put in his mind he's not going to be as good as if he had his jersey with his lucky #. Sounds ******, but it does happen. Now that may not be acceptable to you, but that's the way goes... You can either agree to disagree...really makes no difference to me. Now if mayweather was so confident in his ability to beat Pacquiao, and he really thought that he was easy work with or with out PED's...why ask for such a test in the first place? This man was adamant about Pacquiao being a one-dimensional fighter with no versatility, and claimed that the fight was easy...why ask for such a test...if he really believed in what he was saying? Pacquiao's an easy fight, but yet he needs an Olympic-style drug test? Pacquaio said he would do the test as long as he had 24-day cut off with unlimited urine samples...what's wrong with that? He didn't want to do it in the first place, but said he would go ahead and give in as long as it's 24-day cut off...still that wasn't good enough. Keep in mind that this isn't even part of boxing's rules and regulations, and Pacquaio was willing to agree to the test. He could flat out said *** no I ant doing that, but he didn't; he tried to work it out, and obviously things went south. **** happens that's the way it goes. You want to believe that it was Pacquiao's fault....fine by me...your in titled to your opinion. Just answer me this one question: If Mayweather thought that Manny Pacquiao was an easy fight an could beat him no matter what: why would he not put the drug test aside and just take the fight if he was that supremely confident? Or agree to the 24-day cut off?

So by your belief...you think it's fair for one fighter to be given a rematch clause, but not the other? I'm not against a rematch clause, but god damn if it's a hellva fight...a close fight...and SSM loses by a point, and he doesn't have the clause and he wants a rematch and mayweather decides to not give him one for what ever reason...isn't that unfair? Or is that fair in your book?


Mayweather is jealous...he can't help himself but to mention Pacquaio's name in all of the interviews he's done. Or if you perfer...maybe a little obsessed.

[AllEyesOpen]

If Mosley wanted a rematch clause he would have asked for one himself, you don't know why he chose not to, but my point remains the same;

I can't get my head around why Pacquiao chose to give up the biggest payday in his career and the chance to prove that he's the best fighter of our time, and the reasons why that he gives doesn't make any kind of sense to me. If your clean then who cares take the test, make your money and possibly win a fight that will cement your legacy as an ATG.

[Pullcounter]

what's more disturbing is a guy who's moniker is "money" to let a little steroid test get in the way of a $70 million payday that his own daddy said he'd still win.

that moniker should be changed to "chicken"

[AllEyesOpen]

So Mayweather's scared of Pac, & Pac is scared of needles, who's the bigger *****?

Edit; & i'm really getting sick and tired of these so called boxing fans claiming that if Mayweather's so good he should fight him anyways regardless of if he's juicing. That just shows, to me at least, how little you care about the sport.

[Pullcounter]

So Mayweather's scared of Pac, & Pac is scared of needles, who's the bigger *****?

the one who's getting his a$$ stuffed by ellerbe

just kidding

[AllEyesOpen]

the one who's getting his a$$ stuffed by ellerbe

just kidding

Are those the thoughts that keep you up at night?

[M.I.C.]

Without a doubt Team Pac's actions, they did nearly every move that a guilty party makes when the truth is about to be revealed. My only question is how can posters on this board even defend Pac at this point?