You guys are really undersestimating Clottey.

[Eaner0919]

The man has 38 fights. 35 that he's won and only one of those was close. If you've watched enough of his fights and not just the Cotto fight you'll see what I say.

Watch at least his last 6 fights(the full fights without the commentart) then analyse him again and form your own opinion.

I formed mine but that's my opinion so you are free to form yours as well.

oh come now I have watched PLENTY of Clottey fights

you see something so vastly different than what I see

tell u what I will break down your reply to me in a few

[βetamax]

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JMM he one punched him three times in the first dropping him

JMM II in the third he one punched JMM down

Cotto he one punched in consecutive round

Hatton he stopped in the second

not exactly an accumulation of punches taking effect if you ask me

by contrast when was the last time you have seen Judah one punch anyone of note?

The JMM Knockdowns happened at 130-135 and the KD in the second fight he caught him with what I was talking about - an odd punch he didn't really see coming. Same thing with the Cotto KD's. These guys also had their hands down which allowed these shots to land but Clottey's defense is much tighter since his hands are always up though of course he can caught but it will be more difficult. That was as tremendous shot he landed on Hatton but we know he didn't have a chin anymore.

Judah's fights have been at 147 over the last several years. True, there are some guys he probably should have KO'ed if what I'm saying is correct but I also acknowledge that he's not as good of an offensive fighter as Pacquiao to put his tools (speed and power) into action. He's also been in there with some tough opponents like Clottey, Baldomir, and Mayweather who have never really even been hurt.

He could **** and get someone out with one shot at 140. Can you watch this and honestly say that Pacquiao could have laid these same guys out more impressively?

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Basically my point is that a straight left hand or shot to the body probably isn't going to feel much different to Clottey coming from either man. Yes, Pacquiao does bring more to the table offensively so I'm not trying to look too deeply into the Judah fight but it does at least give some perspective sincce they share similar qualities being that they're southpaws with good speed and power.

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oh come now I have watched PLENTY of Clottey fights

you see something so vastly different than what I see

tell u what I will break down your reply to me in a few

LOL @ this guy thinking you're a newbie. Man, I was watching Joshua Clottey when he was fighting in GHANA and the only time I've seen all of these "skills" was when he had a sparring partner in front of him. Never seen him consistently do anything consistently

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I think he is more overrated then underrated.

Clottey, by his own admittance, is not best suited at 147, he only fights there because the big names are there. Again, according to him, this saps his power and his stamina.

Clottey has never won a big fight. I cant even say he ever beat out another top contender. Like I mentioned before, the guy has ZERO significant wins to his name. This will be his third attempt at a big score.

Clottey had a one-eyed, damaged Cotto in front of him and couldnt pull the trigger. This says it all, to me. He just isnt championship material right about now.

Yes, he is skilled, very much so, but at 147 his skills are not maximized. He will remain a contender but a few notches below the elite. He needs to move up and make his name againts lesser comp at 154 first, IMHO.

[Eaner0919]

Good return.

Which attributes? He can lead with his right using straight, jabs, hooks uppercuts from within the guard. He can triple and quadruple his left hook. He keeps his guard up at all times. I'll give he can't set traps as good as Hopkins but that's about what Hopkins can do that he can't but he also is uses his defense to set off his offense.

Clottey's hand and footspeed are faster than Hopkins so in relative terms the difference between Pac-Clottey is similar to Hopkins-de la Hoya. And Clottey throws in combinations.

I do believe Clottey's movement is very controlled. He doesn't expend a lot of energy to get into offensive or defensive positions. He is a pressure fighter so moves forward often but he moves backwards when required. To the side or straight backwards. He can also spin around fighters to get in position. He can even box on his toes when required. He is always in position to launch his attack or defend against one.

He doesn't necessarily wait for an opponent to finish punching. He waits to get an opening. And that sometimes seems like he's waiting for his opponent to finish punching, but he does punch mid combination if he believes he can do that without taking return fire. His aim to inflict as much damage whiles taking as little as possible.

Clottey is right handed and leads with his right against southpaws. He has a stiff jab and can counter with straights, hooks and uppercuts using that right. He also ensures his footwork keep southpaws withing range of his straight right whiles prevent sideways movement of southpaws. So Pac's southpaw stance is not as big an advantage as it will seem. He completely controlled Alvarez and Judah to telling effect.

Clottey has a tighter more responsible defense than Hopkins.

If you go to the bulletin of boxing you'll see a nice article on what problems Clottey brings to Pac.[/quote]

yes he can but he doesn't really pull this into plan. I think everyone here realizes Clottey has the physical tools to do well, to perform at an elite level....but not to get over the top.

you referenced fights with Zab and Shamone and while both were good performances by Joshua neither one of them can be good markers as to how he would do against Manny. Just because Manny fights from a left handed stance does not make the comparison you're using viable

both werent elite at the top of their game when they fought Clottey. In Alvarez's case he wasn't much to begin with so Clottey dominated

and there in lies the rub with him

physically he is impressive but he seems to have issues with people who have the will to grind, outlast Clottey's physical tools, and not let Clottey's efforts deter them

Clottey on the other hand has never shown an ability to grind out tough wins, suck up whatever issues lie in front of him, and turn it on when needed

he had the Cotto fight in his hands and let it slip. I have to be honest to my Cotto loving friends, that was Clottey's fight to win he had a wounded lion in front of him and he froze

there is something instinctly wrong in his mental makeup thats not allowing him to get over the hump

[Eaner0919]

LOL @ this guy thinking you're a newbie. Man, I was watching Joshua Clottey when he was fighting in GHANA and the only time I've seen all of these "skills" was when he had a sparring partner in front of him. Never seen him consistently do anything consistently

whats even more scary is that I am debating Clottey AND Judah as if this were 2006-7

[The Gambler1981]

With Clottey it is all about mentality, there is no way he should have lost the Cotto fight.

Clottey's only real chance to me in the fight is if he has taken all the mistakes of the past and learned from them, now this is his biggest oppurtunity so it is possible that this spurs him to achieve what he has previously falied to do but he has been the same guy forever.

I haven't watched him since fighting in Africa but I have watched enough Clottey to understand what he is as a fighter.

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I like haveing a lively debate so let continue. I said I see the fight more like Hopkins-de la Hoya.

Here are my reasons.
CLOTTEY
1. Clottey like Hopkins is bigger, has a longer reach and had been fighting at that weight for a long time.
2. Clottey like Hopkins has excellent defense
3. Clottey like Hopkins uses little movement
4. Clottey like Hopkins has low output but high accuracy
5. Clottey like Hopkins relied on timing and counterpunching
PAC
1. Pac like de la Hoya was the more popular favourite
2. Pac like de la Hoay was the much faster guy in terms of hand speed
3. Pac like de la Hoya had much faster feet and movement
4. Pac like de la Hoya throws in flurries and volume
5. Pac like de la Hoya was relying heavily on his speedy left hand

Now tell me why the fight is more like Pac-Cotto.

I see it going in the same way as Pac/Cotto in the sense that Clottey will be beaten in a one sided affair.

Cotto and Clottey have similar styles - but IMO Cotto is technically more refined, he hits harder and is more active. Clottey has a tighter defense but nothing different or better offensively that will give Pac any trouble.

Clottey will stalk Pac down and wait for the right openings, but will be shell shocked at the amount of punches thrown at him. He failed to open up at times when he should have against Cotto and I can imagine him being pretty much a sitting duck for most of the fight against Pac. Pac will have a field day going to the body and shooting up top from awkward angles, whilst darting in and out. In order for Clottey to make this into a fight, he will have to take chances and make Pac work for his punches, but he doesn't fight that way.

It'll go the distance due to Clottey's toughness but its not going to be competitive.

[War Dinamita]

Clottey is going to stand right in front of Pacquiao and take a beating.

Packy will break him down.

[El Castigador]

People diggin in too deep on this ****.

Facts about Clottey:

He doesnt hit hard.

He doesnt move his head.

He doesnt have good foot speed.

He doesnt have good stamina.

Hes left hand dominant.

He has LOW punch output.

He struggles to make 147.

He wont have his normal trainer.

He never kicks it into gear to WIN fights.

He will be a sitting duck March 13th.