Better opponent: Tavoris Cloud or Jean Pascal?

[mangler jr]

Defintely Pascal.

He's so underrated on here its crazy. Cloud is ok, but his biggest win was old Clinton Woods who actually gave him some trouble.

[Iceta Lives]

No, Froch would not beat Cloud. Also, I'm not high on Froch, but I don't think he sucks either. Cloud would also fight Froch at 175, and I believe today's Pascal would beat Froch.....

I ask you that because while he lost, you yourself have not viewed the fight and going on the opinions of others. How can you legitimately criticize him for that loss then? You have no idea how the fight went, how he represented himself, etc.

Provide me a You Tube vid and I may watch some highlights. I think they replayed it on FSN, but it got little attention at the time.

[Shadows]

Provide me a You Tube vid and I may watch some highlights. I think they replayed it on FSN, but it got little attention at the time.

Sorry son, but I ain't your gopher.

[Iceta Lives]

Sorry son, but I ain't your gopher.

Plus Cloud is getting ready to fight Johnson on HBO. Has Pascal been on HBO yet? I'm not saying that doesn't make him a good fighter. But with HBO throwing Cloud on the air with one of Dawson's past rivals shows you what their intentions might be. What if Pascal's injury doesn't heal up by June? People will have forgotten about him while Cloud is going to be fighting on a card that will rep Haiti hard. That's gotta count for something.

[Clegg]

Pascal didn't hurt Diaconu? There's no way that anyone who has seen the fight would say that.

Your bias against Dawson is quite scary Iceta.

Gonzalez was coming off of two defeats, hadn't had an impressive win in about 5 years, and hasn't fought since. Woods is a solid fighter who is/was top 10 in the division.

I think Pascal had done more to earn a shot at Dawson. Cloud is a good fighter, but let's wait and see how he does against Glen Johnson. That'll tell us just how good he is. If he wins that then Dawson should fight him, but until that happens Pascal is at the front of the queue.

[PittyPat]

Because of his 2 demolishing wins over Diaconu, it's Pascal who'd be a better name for Dawson to have. No question. But if Cloud beats Johnson, then Dawson absolutely needs to fight him within the next year or so.

I see all this as being a natural progression towards crowning the best LHW in the world - for right now, we can't be totally sure who deserves that accolade (Dawson, Cloud and Pascal all have a case).

[Benzo]

Pascal is very intelligent and he learn a lot in his defeat against Froch. From now on Pascal will be very hard to beat. He is right now recovering from a shoulder operation he should fight Dawson very soon...maybe june !

[2501]

Because of his 2 demolishing wins over Diaconu, it's Pascal who'd be a better name for Dawson to have. No question. But if Cloud beats Johnson, then Dawson absolutely needs to fight him within the next year or so.

I see all this as being a natural progression towards crowning the best LHW in the world - for right now, we can't be totally sure who deserves that accolade (Dawson, Cloud and Pascal all have a case).

Dawson beat Adamek, Johnson and Tarver who were in the upper tier of the LHW division. There is no question who is the best LHW right now

[Clegg]

Plus Cloud is getting ready to fight Johnson on HBO. Has Pascal been on HBO yet? I'm not saying that doesn't make him a good fighter. But with HBO throwing Cloud on the air with one of Dawson's past rivals shows you what their intentions might be. What if Pascal's injury doesn't heal up by June? People will have forgotten about him while Cloud is going to be fighting on a card that will rep Haiti hard. That's gotta count for something.

This point is a load of **** as well.

There's no evidence that Cloud-Johnson will be on HBO, Glen Johnson suggested in an interview this week that it may be on FNF.

So no...it doesn't count for something, especially when you consider that we're discussing who the best win would be right now, not who the best win would be in the future if fantasy fights worked out the way you want them (and on the fantasy TV station you want it to be on )

[Benzo]

Pascal will beat Dawson...he is very hungry !