Better opponent: Tavoris Cloud or Jean Pascal?

[2501]

I feel Pascal is a better than Tavoris Cloud and also worth more legacy wise.
Iceta feels Cloud is a better fighter than Pascal is is wirth more legacy wise.

What do other boxing fans think?

[Shadows]

At this point, I would have to agree with you.

[El Castigador]

Right now Pascal. But Dawson needs to beat both.

[Sicario]

Pascal is a better fighter

[Iceta Lives]

I'm just comparing each guy's performances against the best fighters they fought.

Breakdown of Tavoris Cloud's opponents and his results against them:
vs. Julio Gonzales - Cloud looked impressive in this fight. Damn impressive. Sure, Gonzales was kind of old. But Cloud became the first guy to ever stop him. Something that Roy Jones coudln't do. Gonzales showed in that fight that his solid chin was the last thing to go and still fought a tough fight but was still TKOd.

vs. Clinton Woods - Cloud got off to a slow start, granted. But he dominated the rest of the fight after the fourth round even though he got hit a little bit too much for my liking. Some people will tell you that he beat Woods less impressively than Tarver did, and I beg to differ. Tarver never really landed anything on Woods that almost KOd him like Cloud did, and Woods is another fighter with a damn good chin. And on top of that Cloud got hit less and less as the fight went on and won 9-3 when I was scoring it.

Woods and Gonzales all have one thing in common. They are not the most skilled guys in the world. But it's damn near impossible to knock them down. I don't think Pascal could've KOd Gonzales even if he tried, or Dawson for that matter.

Breakdown of Jean Pascal's opponents and his results against them:
vs. Carl Froch - I didn't see this fight, but from what I hear it was pretty competitive even though Froch won. But the question I have is did Pascal ever hurt him? Because this is something that Andre Dirrel and Jermaine Taylor who are smaller than Pascal were able to do. Froch has the reputation of having a Margarito-like chin similar to what Woods and Gonzales do, but I just don't see it. And Pascal lost this fight at 168 on top of it.

vs. Adrian Diacanu - Wins are wins, and regardless of how untested Diacanu was Pascal came through in these fights. But once again, he failed to hurt a guy who has never fought a boxer with a decent KO record except for Rico Hoye. So how tested is Diacanu's chin? Pascal won the fights, but they were somewhat competitive and he failed to hurt Diacanu like Cloud did to Woods and Gonzales.

Therefore I come to the conclusion that Tavoris Cloud > Jean Pascal. And sorry 2501, but you will never convince me that Dawson isn't taking the path of least resistance. Face it, he's afraid to fight a guy with punching power.

The times he did he got nearly KOd by Adamek even though he won the rest of the fight clearly and he had to fight Glen Johnson in the second fight like a chicken with it's head cut off because he knew Johnson knocked his head off in the 10th round of the first fight. Dawson is afraid of power.

[Toney Loc]

Face it, he's afraid to fight a guy with punching power.

He fought and beat Johnson twice.

[#1Assassin]

no matter who dawson picks hes gonna be ducking the other according to some ppl. but real fans know eighter one is a great fight.

it really doesnt matter to me, match those 3 up however u want and ill be watching. 3 young champions, each of them with the potential to be a great fighter one day. hopefully they will all get a chance to fight eachother.

lots to look forward to in the 175 lb division, some real good talent. i didnt think it was possible but just thinking about these matchups made me care about hopkins-jones II even less.

[Shadows]

I'm just comparing each guy's performances against the best fighters they fought.

Breakdown of Tavoris Cloud's opponents and his results against them:
vs. Julio Gonzales - Cloud looked impressive in this fight. Damn impressive. Sure, Gonzales was kind of old. But Cloud became the first guy to ever stop him. Something that Roy Jones coudln't do. Gonzales showed in that fight that his solid chin was the last thing to go and still fought a tough fight but was still TKOd.

vs. Clinton Woods - Cloud got off to a slow start, granted. But he dominated the rest of the fight after the fourth round even though he got hit a little bit too much for my liking. Some people will tell you that he beat Woods less impressively than Tarver did, and I beg to differ. Tarver never really landed anything on Woods that almost KOd him like Cloud did, and Woods is another fighter with a damn good chin. And on top of that Cloud got hit less and less as the fight went on and won 9-3 when I was scoring it.

Woods and Gonzales all have one thing in common. They are not the most skilled guys in the world. But it's damn near impossible to knock them down. I don't think Pascal could've KOd Gonzales even if he tried, or Dawson for that matter.

Breakdown of Jean Pascal's opponents and his results against them:
vs. Carl Froch - I didn't see this fight, but from what I hear it was pretty competitive even though Froch won. But the question I have is did Pascal ever hurt him? Because this is something that Andre Dirrel and Jermaine Taylor who are smaller than Pascal were able to do. Froch has the reputation of having a Margarito-like chin similar to what Woods and Gonzales do, but I just don't see it. And Pascal lost this fight at 168 on top of it.

vs. Adrian Diacanu - Wins are wins, and regardless of how untested Diacanu was Pascal came through in these fights. But once again, he failed to hurt a guy who has never fought a boxer with a decent KO record except for Rico Hoye. So how tested is Diacanu's chin? Pascal won the fights, but they were somewhat competitive and he failed to hurt Diacanu like Cloud did to Woods and Gonzales.

Therefore I come to the conclusion that Tavoris Cloud > Jean Pascal. And sorry 2501, but you will never convince me that Dawson isn't taking the path of least resistance. Face it, he's afraid to fight a guy with punching power.

The times he did he got nearly KOd by Adamek even though he won the rest of the fight clearly and he had to fight Glen Johnson in the second fight like a chicken with it's head cut off because he knew Johnson knocked his head off in the 10th round of the first fight. Dawson is afraid of power.

Pascal managed to stun Froch a few times, but he did not have him on ***** street, if that's what you are really looking for. He also stunned Diaconu in both fights, Iceta.

This brings me to my next question, why do you criticize Pascal for that fight when you haven't seen it?

Sorry, but I will disagree in regards to the Adamek fight. Dawson was dropped, but I don't think he was on the verge on getting stopped....

[Iceta Lives]

Pascal managed to stun Froch a few times, but he did not have him on ***** street, if that's what you are really looking for. He also stunned Diaconu in both fights, Iceta.

This brings me to my next question, why do you criticize Pascal for that fight when you haven't seen it?

Sorry, but I will disagree in regards to the Adamek fight. Dawson was dropped, but I don't think he was on the verge on getting stopped....

Because he didn't win it. That's why. And most people including myself think Froch sucks. Ask yourself this question. Do you think Froch could beat Cloud? I'm shocked at the amount of people who think Cloud isn't better than Pascal. He got in more fights last year due to Cloud's miscalculation-inclined management. But that doesn't make him a better fighter.

[Shadows]

Because he didn't win it. That's why. And most people including myself think Froch sucks. Ask yourself this question. Do you think Froch could beat Cloud? I'm shocked at the amount of people who think Cloud isn't better than Pascal. He got in more fights last year due to Cloud's miscalculation-inclined management. But that doesn't make him a better fighter.

No, Froch would not beat Cloud. Also, I'm not high on Froch, but I don't think he sucks either. Cloud would also fight Froch at 175, and I believe today's Pascal would beat Froch.....

I ask you that because while he lost, you yourself have not viewed the fight and going on the opinions of others. How can you legitimately criticize him for that loss then? You have no idea how the fight went, how he represented himself, etc.