Serious talk:How can Floyd fans not see that this olympic test was just to duck Pac

[-MAKAVELLI-]

so lets go beyond

how did Mayweather know it would be blood that would stop this fight?



to the point of cancelling? thats a far reach IMO simply because you cannot counter speculate that blood would indeed be such an issue that Manny would say no

and correct me if I am wrong but didn't their side say ok to blood testing? it was more to do with the days rather than the actual test right? Freddie Manny et al has said urine all they want but blood only to a certain point. That point was debated amongst Mannys team

so if blood was such a big issue Mak why not just say no period to blood testing?



but here is the rub bro

Manny said yes to blood testing

he said yes.



he is getting drilled as it is!! cmon now you know he is getting killed

the glove issue is a far safer route to take IMO. Why? because its Nevada's rules





he smeared Manny not the media remember that

media has been largely sympathetic to Manny or have you not paid attention to the daily Examiner threads we get

I mean people ask him in videos if this has put pressure on him.




True and you wont get any arguement from me about that

but to solely place this on Floyd is very very myopic

as myopic as the Manny fans are accusing the Floyd fans as being

mayweather didnt know that it would stop the fight...he knew that it would affect PAC and IMO, pushed a bit too hard...i never said the fault laid squarely on floyd's shoulders but as boxingscene's cliff rold put it 'floyd created an unnecessary roadblock'


and for PAC to agree to the testing, perhaps that was his way of trying to get the fight to go on? give and take?

[Eaner0919]

Sure.

1. What unprecedented demands, the 10mill penalty? then that's because there was a precedence of cheating maybe they just want to ensure it will deter floyd to cheat on the scale again and just pay peanuts. I don't know what other 'beyond' demands that pac made, i'm not privy on all his negotiations as i only like to see good fights.

ah young man you have not been paying attention

ok so let's give you the Mayweather one

address why Manny made the unprecedented move of asking for 3 million on Oscar if he went over 147?

I mean we all knew it was a weight he had not made since 2001 right?

I will wait for your answer on that one

also please address the rather unprecedent move of demanding Cotto fight for his 147lb title at 145. It CLEARLY goes against the WBO's handbook.

2. Did i say i was against it??????? Of course i'm all for it but to insist on close to sealing the fight due to selfishness as you've said is tantamount to ducking.

but see here is why you will probably always be dismissed as nothing more than a Manny fan

while you say "when I have said I was against it?"

when have you said you were for it? show me

and couldn't any other demand Manny has been put on any fighter be twisted to be viewed as a way out of a fight

wanting more than 70-30 for Oscar
wanting more than 60-40 for Hatton
wanting DLH to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147
wanting Mayweather to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147

3. You really believe peds can make a human body superhuman??? I don't think so....If it is, that ped would have been the number 1 selling drug now in the world.

actually no one said superhuman thats just you being over dramatic to sell your point

however they do enable you to perform at higher levels by speeding up the recovery process an athlete needs. If say someone needs fewer and fewer rest periods doesn't that enable them to train more train harder and get better physically?

and what makes you think PEDs arent a lucrative market?

So my answer is NO, give me an example where PED was used that made the opponent was put in grave danger. A documented one please.

grave danger? why?

I dont think his life was at risk

however

answer this

are PEDs legal?

simple question

[-MAKAVELLI-]

So does this mean he can't take blood at all? I saw that interview. He said he had an issue with it two days before the fight. So how is this relevant?

And I don't hate Manny. In fact, I think he's the best fighter of my generation. That doesn't make him exempt to criticism. Unfortunately, certain people can only view things through the scope of "nuthugging" and "hate" and all that other crap.

of course not...you've made that point in EVERY f'n thread that has steroids and peds as a topic

[IMDAZED]

of course not...you've made that point in EVERY f'n thread that has steroids and peds as a topic

I sure have. I've been waiting on this day for years. But for me it has more to do with the topic (PEDs/Steroids) than any fighter. Sadly, it seems most posters are more interested in "my favorite fighter nah nah nah" or nuthugging or god knows what. But that's not the point. And we should be focusing on the point.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

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Isnt there a big fight in 3 days??

[Eaner0919]

mayweather didnt know that it would stop the fight...he knew that it would affect PAC and IMO, pushed a bit too hard...i never said the fault laid squarely on floyd's shoulders but as boxingscene's cliff rold put it 'floyd created an unnecessary roadblock'

Cliffy does not like him some Floyd

but getting to the point

why wouldn't he just use the gloves? I mean it is a RULE he can deflect back to the NSAC if he wanted to avoid fighting Manny right?

see to me he says no to 8oz gloves. He then states he fought Hatton in 10s at 147 so why can't Manny do the same? he then states this is the rule he is going by and not making this up.

so now he has a case behind him and a comission rule

thats far more credible than the rantings of Floyd Sr as Manny fans have put it right?

and for PAC to agree to the testing, perhaps that was his way of trying to get the fight to go on? give and take?

maybe but the whole precedent is that blood testing weakens him and it goes squarely against what was being negotiated

to assume blood testing weakens him is to also assume he does not want to blood test at all right?

he should have just said no period. Otherwise him coming off the view that blood testing weakens him looks weak because he is agreeing to something that he alledges makes him weak

understand my man?

[STREET CLEANER]

Sure.

1. What unprecedented demands, the 10mill penalty? then that's because there was a precedence of cheating maybe they just want to ensure it will deter floyd to cheat on the scale again and just pay peanuts. I don't know what other 'beyond' demands that pac made, i'm not privy on all his negotiations as i only like to see good fights.

2. Did i say i was against it??????? Of course i'm all for it but to insist on close to sealing the fight due to selfishness as you've said is tantamount to ducking.

3. You really believe peds can make a human body superhuman??? I don't think so....If it is, that ped would have been the number 1 selling drug now in the world.
So my answer is NO, give me an example where PED was used that made the opponent was put in grave danger. A documented one please.

PED'S are tested in every professional sport for a reason, they are illeagal so that is why the don't sell in the quan****** that you think they should. That is why there are designer PED's to defeat certain testing. You are really reaching with that caption #3, and this is not going for just the Manny PED topic, this goes for the whole sport.

Have one of your fighters go into the ring and get beat up by somebody that has a chemical advantage, what do you tell him. I'm talking about a young fighter comming out. Don't try to sweep the PED thing under the rug, it is a bigger problem than you think

[Chuckguy]

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Isnt there a big fight in 3 days??

sadly this is bigger than that fight.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

I sure have. I've been waiting on this day for years. But for me it has more to do with the topic (PEDs/Steroids) than any fighter. Sadly, it seems most posters are more interested in "my favorite fighter nah nah nah" or nuthugging or god knows what. But that's not the point. And we should be focusing on the point.

well, knock yourself out Dazed....im glad the opportunity has presented itself for you to vent about your frustration with this dirty sport...god knows this is the only time we could have addressed the issue

[1nonlymre]

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Isnt there a big fight in 3 days??

Oh yeah!!!
This week's 'weekly applebee's/chili's dinner' will be cancelled because i want to stay in. My daughters and wife will be pissed. There will be a fight over it, you can bet on it.