Serious talk:How can Floyd fans not see that this olympic test was just to duck Pac

[IMDAZED]

PED'S are tested in every professional sport for a reason, they are illeagal so that is why the don't sell in the quan****** that you think they should. That is why there are designer PED's to defeat certain testing. You are really reaching with that caption #3, and this is not going for just the Manny PED topic, this goes for the whole sport.

Have one of your fighters go into the ring and get beat up by somebody that has a chemical advantage, what do you tell him. I'm talking about a young fighter comming out. Don't try to sweep the PED thing under the rug, it is a bigger problem than you think

Yeah, I think people forget that these fighters put their lives on the line. It's not a game. So if one fighter suspects the other, he's well within reason - especially since the commissions obviously could give two ****s and favor money over health. Which is fine. But as fans, where do we stand? Instead of asking why someone cares about the issue so much, we need to ask why we care so little.

[IMDAZED]

well, knock yourself out Dazed....im glad the opportunity has presented itself for you to vent about your frustration with this dirty sport...god knows this is the only time we could have addressed the issue

Well I've actually addressed the issue many times in many different ways and venues. You don't know who I am so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. But thanks, I'll take your advice.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Cliffy does not like him some Floyd

but getting to the point

why wouldn't he just use the gloves? I mean it is a RULE he can deflect back to the NSAC if he wanted to avoid fighting Manny right?

see to me he says no to 8oz gloves. He then states he fought Hatton in 10s at 147 so why can't Manny do the same? he then states this is the rule he is going by and not making this up.

so now he has a case behind him and a comission rule

thats far more credible than the rantings of Floyd Sr as Manny fans have put it right?



maybe but the whole precedent is that blood testing weakens him and it goes squarely against what was being negotiated

to assume blood testing weakens him is to also assume he does not want to blood test at all right?

he should have just said no period. Otherwise him coming off the view that blood testing weakens him looks weak because he is agreeing to something that he alledges makes him weak

understand my man?

E, do you have any idea how bad of a PR move it would be if this fight was killed due to glove size?

and seriously, i've never seen Cliff bash floyd, in fact, reading his assessments on floyd would lead me to think that he likes the guy


as for the blood testing, like i said, he agreed to make accommodations and concede to that request under limitations...he COULD and probably SHOULD have done it the way you suggest, but perhaps he wasnt THAT quick to walk away from that money

also, i'd like to add that the dude wasn't even IN the country and was basically letting Arum work out he kinks...

[PAKYO]

Damn! my batt run out peds..err juice...sorry.

You guys are way too fast and i got a ****ty connection in this side now i can't reply immediately.

ah young man you have not been paying attention

ok so let's give you the Mayweather one

address why Manny made the unprecedented move of asking for 3 million on Oscar if he went over 147?

I mean we all knew it was a weight he had not made since 2001 right?

I will wait for your answer on that one

Hey i didn't know about that! I even lost moolah on that fight! Can't blame manny on that though, it's ODLH fault for coming up like that, no regrets still i recovered.

also please address the rather unprecedent move of demanding Cotto fight for his 147lb title at 145. It CLEARLY goes against the WBO's handbook.

but see here is why you will probably always be dismissed as nothing more than a Manny fan

while you say "when I have said I was against it?"

when have you said you were for it? show me

Damn, you want me to dig my post, why not you do it. I'm not only a manny fan though even if i have only joined this board a year ago i was already wanking on some posted pron here along time ago...

and couldn't any other demand Manny has been put on any fighter be twisted to be viewed as a way out of a fight

wanting more than 70-30 for Oscar
wanting more than 60-40 for Hatton
wanting DLH to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147
wanting Mayweather to incur an unprecedented penalty if he is over 147

You have a point there but i never heard manny brag he will beat to a pulp those fighters and procaliming he is the best there is unlike someone i thought was really a great one but made me felt violated and robbed with my hard earned money watching his last fight.

actually no one said superhuman thats just you being over dramatic to sell your point

however they do enable you to perform at higher levels by speeding up the recovery process an athlete needs. If say someone needs fewer and fewer rest periods doesn't that enable them to train more train harder and get better physically?

and what makes you think PEDs arent a lucrative market?



grave danger? why?

I dont think his life was at risk

however

answer this

are PEDs legal?

simple question

See, you answered it with another question just to avoid a question and saying i'm the one who is over melodramatic, you should tell that to floyd as he is the one who said he is scared for his life even he 'knows' the fight is easy, wasn't it?

But to answer your question, of course it is not legal in any athletic competition!

And to clarify more further, i don't think an opponent is the one who is in grave danger in using peds, it is the USER HIMSELF WHO IS THE ONE WHO IS IN DANGER as in any drugs there will always be side effects.

Fact is, i'm suspecting this so called 'best' boxer as having those side effects now!

Anyway, i'm logging off, will read your replies later..

[Eaner0919]

E, do you have any idea how bad of a PR move it would be if this fight was killed due to glove size?

here is what I present to you my friend

one base your stand solely on speculation and rumor

OR

base it on a rule

which would you pick?

and seriously, i've never seen Cliff bash floyd, in fact, reading his assessments on floyd would lead me to think that he likes the guy

nah he dont dig him too much

as for the blood testing, like i said, he agreed to make accommodations and concede to that request under limitations...he COULD and probably SHOULD have done it the way you suggest, but perhaps he wasnt THAT quick to walk away from that money

also, i'd like to add that the dude wasn't even IN the country and was basically letting Arum work out he kinks...

understood but then why is it ok for Mayweather to be called a coward?

kind of weak IMO

and yes I do think thats a great point about him not being around

[TOBYLEE1]

Yeah, I think people forget that these fighters put their lives on the line. It's not a game. So if one fighter suspects the other, he's well within reason - especially since the commissions obviously could give two ****s and favor money over health. Which is fine. But as fans, where do we stand? Instead of asking why someone cares about the issue so much, we need to ask why we care so little.

I do agree with you both, to many fans of a particular boxer and not the sport. I'm a fan of the sport first and what makes the sport better should be done. It got a lot of attention cause it is on the biggest platform right now of the biggest fight that can be made at the moment, if I dare to say an historic event if it got made. Can believe how many PPL actually think that it was a tactic to get out of the fight. My question has always been if Pac would had said yes?

[soyotoyapex]

My question has always been if Pac would had said yes?

No floyd demand for random testing and what will we have this weekend?

[Chuckguy]

Oh yeah!!!
This week's 'weekly applebee's/chili's dinner' will be cancelled because i want to stay in. My daughters and wife will be pissed. There will be a fight over it, you can bet on it.

just take them on friday or sunday instead

[crold1]

nah he dont dig him too much

I'm not crazy about his public persona...

...but that has nothing to do with my assessment of him as a fighter (#2 at 130 All-Time and love to watch what he does). I was never sold Pac would really be closer than winning four rounds.

And the quote about the unneeded roadblock is taken somewhat out of context. It's from one of the two pieces where I talked about how Floyd was basically owning Pac in the fight before the fight.

Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather: Round Two Begins

Floyd Mayweather vs. Manny Pacquiao: Money Goes Up 2-0