Serious talk:How can Floyd fans not see that this olympic test was just to duck Pac

[-MAKAVELLI-]

answer me one more question please

if Mayweather is indeed ducking Manny

how did he know that the PED testing would be the deal breaker?

why didn't he just go for an easier one like say 10oz gloves which he has fought in twice while Manny hasn't?

why not go after the stip about the weight overage penalty and stick with it?

why PEDs?

explain please

why PEDS?


simple...its the only type of stipulation which would require drawing blood...no blood needed for different gloves, purse split etc

my theory is, someone tipped Floyd's team about PAC's 'anxiety' (Moorer perhaps or anyone that has worked with them) about getting blood taken out...whether the physical aspect is true or not about him feeling 'weak' the mental aspect is valid

had PAC agreed, the mental part would have been won by Floyd...he would have gotten a fight with a guy who felt 'weak'

if Floyd was to kill a fight over money issues and gloves and ring size, then he gets drilled by the media



by using PEDS as the caveat, he doesn't look AS bad and actually smears PAC...which is what has happened



IMHO, the whole negotiations was a cluster****....you have two GIANT egos at the table and a promoter that didnt really want to give Floyd a huge payday

[Chuckguy]

why PEDS?


simple...its the only type of stipulation which would require drawing blood...no blood needed for different gloves, purse split etc

my theory is, someone tipped Floyd's team about PAC's 'anxiety' (Moorer perhaps or anyone that has worked with them) about getting blood taken out...whether the physical aspect is true or not about him feeling 'weak' the mental aspect is valid

had PAC agreed, the mental part would have been won by Floyd...he would have gotten a fight with a guy who felt 'weak'

if Floyd was to kill a fight over money issues and gloves and ring size, then he gets drilled by the media



by using PEDS as the caveat, he doesn't look AS bad and actually smears PAC...which is what has happened



IMHO, the whole negotiations was a cluster****....you have two GIANT egos at the table and a promoter that didnt really want to give Floyd a huge payday

hEY mAK DO YOU think it was all games just to buy more time so they can do it right later this year?
Do you think both sides needed more time to train and prepare for the fight of their lives?

[PAKYO]

thanks



because there had been speculation long before Sr said anything. In fact, Sr got his knowledge about the speculation from Floyd's team not vice versa

kind of throws a big fat hole in everyone's theory that Sr was the one who started this doesn't it?

nope people approached Mayweather's team. Mayweather's team made inquiries to quite a few people (some I know well) about PEDs about what they know about Manny etc

with that he went forward.

now the hypocritical approach would then leave it with Manny but no he also has stated

1. Mosley will be subject to the same OST that Manny was asked to perform
2. every fight from here on out will be this way

so while yes Mayweather's reasons may be greedy isn't the whole of the sport the benefit? arent we at least addressing an issue that has been around in sports for years a good thing?





cmon now just by the end statement you are being dramatic rather than objective in your stance

could it be that he just wants to ensure a level playing field?

simple as that really



why is that BS? because YOU dont believe it?

well then disprove some things then so we can indeed move on

1. why is it okay for Manny to make unprecedented demands that go beyond governing bodies? he has done this at least twice

2. while I have stated Mayweather's reasons were selfish how is this not a benefit to the sport? explain well please

3. whoa you mean to say PEDs are not a danger to sports? Ok let me see you credentials and reasoning as to why you think that way and I will go from there

I expect your answers since I answered yours

thanks

Sure.

1. What unprecedented demands, the 10mill penalty? then that's because there was a precedence of cheating maybe they just want to ensure it will deter floyd to cheat on the scale again and just pay peanuts. I don't know what other 'beyond' demands that pac made, i'm not privy on all his negotiations as i only like to see good fights.

2. Did i say i was against it??????? Of course i'm all for it but to insist on close to sealing the fight due to selfishness as you've said is tantamount to ducking.

3. You really believe peds can make a human body superhuman??? I don't think so....If it is, that ped would have been the number 1 selling drug now in the world.
So my answer is NO, give me an example where PED was used that made the opponent was put in grave danger. A documented one please.

[IMDAZED]

why PEDS?


simple...its the only type of stipulation which would require drawing blood...no blood needed for different gloves, purse split etc

my theory is, someone tipped Floyd's team about PAC's 'anxiety' (Moorer perhaps or anyone that has worked with them) about getting blood taken out...whether the physical aspect is true or not about him feeling 'weak' the mental aspect is valid

had PAC agreed, the mental part would have been won by Floyd...he would have gotten a fight with a guy who felt 'weak'

if Floyd was to kill a fight over money issues and gloves and ring size, then he gets drilled by the media



by using PEDS as the caveat, he doesn't look AS bad and actually smears PAC...which is what has happened



IMHO, the whole negotiations was a cluster****....you have two GIANT egos at the table and a promoter that didnt really want to give Floyd a huge payday

So how do we know that Pacquiao is anxious about giving blood? Did he ever say this?

[-MAKAVELLI-]

So how do we know that Pacquiao is anxious about giving blood? Did he ever say this?

many times over after the Morales lost...there's videos on youtube date stamped from 2005, Dazed



serious ****, you get off on this dont you? any thread that has PEDS or roids, i see you all over


like you've been waiting this whole time for an excuse to hate...glad you found it my friend

[Eaner0919]

why PEDS?


simple...its the only type of stipulation which would require drawing blood...no blood needed for different gloves, purse split etc

so lets go beyond

how did Mayweather know it would be blood that would stop this fight?

my theory is, someone tipped Floyd's team about PAC's 'anxiety' (Moorer perhaps or anyone that has worked with them) about getting blood taken out...whether the physical aspect is true or not about him feeling 'weak' the mental aspect is valid

to the point of cancelling? thats a far reach IMO simply because you cannot counter speculate that blood would indeed be such an issue that Manny would say no

and correct me if I am wrong but didn't their side say ok to blood testing? it was more to do with the days rather than the actual test right? Freddie Manny et al has said urine all they want but blood only to a certain point. That point was debated amongst Mannys team

so if blood was such a big issue Mak why not just say no period to blood testing?

had PAC agreed, the mental part would have been won by Floyd...he would have gotten a fight with a guy who felt 'weak'

but here is the rub bro

Manny said yes to blood testing

he said yes.

if Floyd was to kill a fight over money issues and gloves and ring size, then he gets drilled by the media

he is getting drilled as it is!! cmon now you know he is getting killed

the glove issue is a far safer route to take IMO. Why? because its Nevada's rules

by using PEDS as the caveat, he doesn't look AS bad and actually smears PAC...which is what has happened

he smeared Manny not the media remember that

media has been largely sympathetic to Manny or have you not paid attention to the daily Examiner threads we get

I mean people ask him in videos if this has put pressure on him.

IMHO, the whole negotiations was a cluster****....you have two GIANT egos at the table and a promoter that didnt really want to give Floyd a huge payday

True and you wont get any arguement from me about that

but to solely place this on Floyd is very very myopic

as myopic as the Manny fans are accusing the Floyd fans as being

[-MAKAVELLI-]

hEY mAK DO YOU think it was all games just to buy more time so they can do it right later this year?
Do you think both sides needed more time to train and prepare for the fight of their lives?

i think so...and honestly, those two agreeing to a 50-50 split THAT fast was pretty shocking...

[IMDAZED]

many times over after the Morales lost...there's videos on youtube date stamped from 2005, Dazed



serious ****, you get off on this dont you? any thread that has PEDS or roids, i see you all over


like you've been waiting this whole time for an excuse to hate...glad you found it my friend

So does this mean he can't take blood at all? I saw that interview. He said he had an issue with it two days before the fight. So how is this relevant?

And I don't hate Manny. In fact, I think he's the best fighter of my generation. That doesn't make him exempt to criticism. Unfortunately, certain people can only view things through the scope of "nuthugging" and "hate" and all that other crap.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

It obviously wasnt to get out the fight because he asked Shane. And the fight was signed, sealed and delivered.

Floyds not as physic no one knew Pac would agree then back track and give 1 Million excuses.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

So does this mean he can't take blood at all? I saw that interview. He said he had an issue with it two days before the fight. So how is this relevant?

And I don't hate Manny. In fact, I think he's the best fighter of my generation. That doesn't make him exempt to criticism. Unfortunately, certain people can only view things through the scope of "nuthugging" and "hate" and all that other crap.

Thank you my dude. This is what it comes to down. Hes not above criticism.