Williams is ranked a Top 5 P4Pounder on many lists.

[Pretty Boy Greg]

It did elevate Martinez. I have him in my top 10.

how the hell do u elevate someone after a loss?? lol... GTFOH

[IMDAZED]

"Not being able to get a fight" doesnt make you more p4p worthy in my book.

That's funny because you had him in your pound for pound list around the time when he couldn't secure a fight.

Um....who? lol

Phillips and Martinez?

What has Winky ever really done at 160 to be considered a top 3 fighter at that weight? Pavlik, AA and Sturm were the consensus top 3.

Don't ask me.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I find it curious you'd put Ward in there for beating Kessler but have no room for Williams who has beaten a better fighter (hindsight minus the plaster) in Margarito and far more solid contenders. And done it in multiple divisions.

Debatable whether Margarito is a better overall fighter than Kessler. Add that to the fact that Ward ****d Kessler in one of the best performances of the year whereas Williams just about beat Margarito.

[Pretty Boy Greg]

Chad Dawson > Paul Williams

chad needs to show more outside of LHW in order for me to rank him higher

[Dirk Diggler UK]

how the hell do u elevate someone after a loss?? lol... GTFOH

I dont...lol wtf?

[El Castigador]

I really want to see how Martinez is on there. When was his last big win?

Dirk can you post ur Top 10.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That's funny because you had him in your pound for pound list around the time when he couldn't secure a fight.

Yeah at number 10 for a hard fought win over Margarito in his first big fight and coming back to avenge his loss in the 1st round. Not because he "couldnt get fights".

Phillips and Martinez?

Martinez was at 160 and he lost imo. And you just called Verno Phillips one of the top 2 154lbers. Verno Phillips.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I really want to see how Martinez is on there. When was his last big win?

Dirk can you post ur Top 10.

His last big win was beating Paul Williams.

[Pretty Boy Greg]

Debatable whether Margarito is a better overall fighter than Kessler. Add that to the fact that Ward ****d Kessler in one of the best performances of the year whereas Williams just about beat Margarito.

just about beat margacheato?? I scored the fight 7-5.. giving 5 of the last 6 to margacheato....first half of the fight williams dominated him

[Pretty Boy Greg]

I really want to see how Martinez is on there. When was his last big win?

Dirk can you post ur Top 10.

hell i dont even remember who martinez last beat