If Khan beats Marquez, is he a blown up 130 pounder?

[warp1432]

Knowledge and technique is worth a dog's **** if your body can't respond to what you tell it to do.

If a fighter's best attributes are agression, power and physical presence, then moving up in weight won't affect them as negatively as a fighter who relies on on reflex, timing, and hand speed. By adding additional weight, all those attributes are affected. Marquez at 140 is not the Marquez at 135 and DEFINITELY not the Marquez who became the name he is fighting Pacquiao. Marquez was having A LOT of trouble with Diaz and Casamayor adjusting to the weight. That was obvious.

I'm not making this a "Floyd cherry picked" Marquez thread. I'm responding to your question asking if Marquez is a blown up LW at 140. Yes he is.

All matters of opinions. Especially the power vs speed as you move up in weight. People say Trinidad lost all his power when he moved up and that's why he lost to Hopkins.

Also Casamayor and Diaz are really good fighters. Just because Marquez struggled with them, although I'm not sure if I consider him really to struggle with Casamayor, just time to adjust. Casamayor is an awkward fighter and Diaz used to be a fighter who applied great pressure and throw a ton of punches. They both have styles to give fighters problems. They gave problems to Marquez.

Maybe Marquez wasn't as good as before at 135, but it has to do with Casamayor and Diaz too.

[2501]

All matters of opinions. Especially the power vs speed as you move up in weight. People say Trinidad lost all his power when he moved up and that's why he lost to Hopkins.

Also Casamayor and Diaz are really good fighters. Just because Marquez struggled with them, although I'm not sure if I consider him really to struggle with Casamayor, just time to adjust. Casamayor is an awkward fighter and Diaz used to be a fighter who applied great pressure and throw a ton of punches. They both have styles to give fighters problems. They gave problems to Marquez.

Maybe Marquez wasn't as good as before at 135, but it has to do with Casamayor and Diaz too.

Is Sergio Martinez blown up at Super Middleweight?

[warp1432]

Is Sergio Martinez blown up at Super Middleweight?

By your standards then yes. If a fighter loses speed and reflexes as he moves up in weight, then of course he is.

Though no he isn't. He is still a great fighter. He isn't at 160 either.

edit: Read this as 154, not 168. At 168, then he would be. That's moving up 20 pounds from his original weight class. Besides light heavies to heavies, 10-15 pounds is normally the max where fighters can go before it starts to play a factor imo.

[2501]

By your standards then yes. If a fighter loses speed and reflexes as he moves up in weight, then of course he is.

Though no he isn't. He is still a great fighter. He isn't at 160 either.

Martinez is a great slick counterpuncher, but like Marquez, depends mostly on his body's ability to react to what his brain tells it to. Now imagine Martinez in with Andre Dirrell who is NATURALLY quick at 168? **** wouldn't even be a competition.

[warp1432]

Martinez is a great slick counterpuncher, but like Marquez, depends mostly on his body's ability to react to what his brain tells it to. Now imagine Martinez in with Andre Dirrell who is NATURALLY quick at 168? **** wouldn't even be a competition.

I read that as 154 my bad.


Here's what I had to say about that:

That's moving up 20 pounds from his original weight class. Besides light heavies to heavies, 10-15 pounds is normally the max where fighters can go before it starts to play a factor imo.

[2501]

I read that as 154 my bad.


Here's what I had to say about that:

That's moving up 20 pounds from his original weight class. Besides light heavies to heavies, 10-15 pounds is normally the max where fighters can go before it starts to play a factor imo.

Aight. Yo, you've never called in to any of the shows right?

[warp1432]

Aight. Yo, you've never called in to any of the shows right?

Nope I haven't haha. Are they any good?

Oh **** by the way, I didn't realize you were 2501 until just like 2 seconds ago.

[jmmfan]

There's a big difference between moving up while you're in or near your athletic prime, which is pretty natural for boxers at lower weights to do, and straight out blowing yourself up to make weight at a higher division, which is unnatural and unhealthy. You can't even argue that Marquez falls into any category but the latter, he's doing this for much deserved paydays and nothing else. In that sense, he can't be compared to someone like Mayweather or Khan or countless other boxers who were fighting at a weight before "settling down", because Marquez was already at his bodies peak weight before moving up.

All that said, this is Marquez's own decision. No excuses from me if Khan wins, I'll consider it a good step up for him.

[2501]

Nope I haven't haha. Are they any good?

Oh **** by the way, I didn't realize you were 2501 until just like 2 seconds ago.

Yes, its nothing like the boards. Everyone is able to get their 2 cents in and be respected. No trolling or anyt **** like that. I try to call all 3 shows. Really good discussions.

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I don't know where this whole JMM is shot garbage is coming from? He fought 3 top class fighters and yeah the scoring was close for the first two but a shot fighter wouldn't have knocked them out especially when Juan Diaz was a full decade younger than JMM.


I think Khan should win a close decision in this fight but if JMM touches that chin and KO's Khan I wouldn't be suprised either.