Comments Thread For: Mayweather: "Power and Speed Won't Help Mosley Win"

[Ray*]

Exactly, one of the main reasons why I'm not all that interested in this match up but whatever; people want to see it.

Dom, Am with you on this fight, I dont get the demand for it!!! But am glad the fight is happening just to calm some people down, But i still dont see why this fight was been pushed over a Pacqauio fight 6 months ago.

[mrjoeblive]

As fans we just want the best matchups possible, regardless of the money involved. There are a few issues involved with staging competitive matchups. On one hand fighters at the top level are now earning more than they ever had in prior eras, by virtue of that they now hold more power to negotiate themselves out of fights by demanding more and more in the contract.

A lot of this culminated with ODLH and his relationship with HBO, which served as a real disservice to the sport, it allowed HBO to act as a pseudo-promoter rather than function strictly as a network.

Either way I agree with you...I'd like to see more and more competitive matchups. Take Pavlik as an example, prior to the last few years he would have fought anyone and everyone. He was viewed as the next face of boxing, down to earth and humble/relatable. He gets a few wins under his belt next thing you know, it becomes difficult to make competitive matchups with the guy, why wasn't it difficult before? MONEY and too much control.

very good post and a great example by using kelly. you have a better chance of sneeking into a presidential ball than making a fight with kelly. good point on odlh and hbo. ODLH did a lot to change boxing to a negative for the fans. because of him lots of fights are on ppv that should be on cable at least. he made it easy for the fighters to earn huge paydays. but the fans have to suffer and dig into the pockets to see a good match. take nonito donair his match should be on cable not ppv. im a huge fan of nonito but im not going to pay to see that bout. thanks oscar.

[boxingfan76]

As fans we just want the best matchups possible, regardless of the money involved. There are a few issues involved with staging competitive matchups. On one hand fighters at the top level are now earning more than they ever had in prior eras, by virtue of that they now hold more power to negotiate themselves out of fights by demanding more and more in the contract.

A lot of this culminated with ODLH and his relationship with HBO, which served as a real disservice to the sport, it allowed HBO to act as a pseudo-promoter rather than function strictly as a network.

Either way I agree with you...I'd like to see more and more competitive matchups. Take Pavlik as an example, prior to the last few years he would have fought anyone and everyone. He was viewed as the next face of boxing, down to earth and humble/relatable. He gets a few wins under his belt next thing you know, it becomes difficult to make competitive matchups with the guy, why wasn't it difficult before? MONEY and too much control.

well there arent many welters left that weight class is in transition now so pac will definitley face either or both mosley or mayweather, all three of these dudes fighting will be great for boxing.

[mazdaru]

i don't understand the ignorance of the some writers and boxing fans, some people say mayweather is too defensive and doesn't make exciting fights but people forget the fights with gatti, judah, chavez, emanuel burton, mitchell, ndou, corrales, manfredy, hatton and corley just to name a few and by the way almost all those fights ended in a ko. Floyd has 40 fights and out of 40 there are only like 3 fights u can say were'nt that action pack, in that matter u can say the same about most fighters. In every sport in the world your objective is to score points and defend opponents from scoring points on u if a team has a great defense and offense they are considered a great team, only in boxing when u have a great defense your considered a reluctant warrior in a sport where defense is more important then any other sport because your getting punched in the head.people who no nothing about boxing say floyd runs from people, but he doesn't run he stays right in front of u or he'll lay on the ropes and whup on u .

preach!!!!

[switchsouthpaw]

very good post and a great example by using kelly. you have a better chance of sneeking into a presidential ball than making a fight with kelly. good point on odlh and hbo. ODLH did a lot to change boxing to a negative for the fans. because of him lots of fights are on ppv that should be on cable at least. he made it easy for the fighters to earn huge paydays. but the fans have to suffer and dig into the pockets to see a good match. take nonito donair his match should be on cable not ppv. im a huge fan of nonito but im not going to pay to see that bout. thanks oscar.

Only in boxing could this be called the height of irony. All of these guys are put in tough on the way up, but once they get there a funny thing happens, they all become protected because of their value to the promoter and the network.

Showtime showcases fighters in good matchups, only because those fighters haven't reached the pinnacle of their popularity--once they do--they receive offers from HBO and immediately are treated like an investment for the network and because the promoters all want those HBO dates, they go along with the decisions made by HBO. The bottom line is that the whole thing sucks for boxing fans.

[boxingfan76]

As fans we just want the best matchups possible, regardless of the money involved. There are a few issues involved with staging competitive matchups. On one hand fighters at the top level are now earning more than they ever had in prior eras, by virtue of that they now hold more power to negotiate themselves out of fights by demanding more and more in the contract.

A lot of this culminated with ODLH and his relationship with HBO, which served as a real disservice to the sport, it allowed HBO to act as a pseudo-promoter rather than function strictly as a network.

Either way I agree with you...I'd like to see more and more competitive matchups. Take Pavlik as an example, prior to the last few years he would have fought anyone and everyone. He was viewed as the next face of boxing, down to earth and humble/relatable. He gets a few wins under his belt next thing you know, it becomes difficult to make competitive matchups with the guy, why wasn't it difficult before? MONEY and too much control.

no kidding pavlik is almost mia now.boxing is too geared toward keeping the money rolling in nowadays there are still afew guys that take the hard way up that dont have the backing of the media, margarito before the mosley debacle comes to mind or mosley or williams comes to mind even sergio martinez, these dudes are throwback fighters, by choice or by design but they are.cant wait to see valero vs demarco tonight.

[switchsouthpaw]

well there arent many welters left that weight class is in transition now so pac will definitley face either or both mosley or mayweather, all three of these dudes fighting will be great for boxing.

I agree the welterweight division is really getting thinned out. I think a lot of existing welterweights are going to have to test themselves at 154 and a lot of Jr.Welters will have to move up and there is no better time to do it than now, since most if not all of the elite welters are either on the verge of retirement or the end of their careers. I'd really love to see guys like PWill and Martinez get shots at Mayweather.

[Lorily]

As fans we just want the best matchups possible, regardless of the money involved. There are a few issues involved with staging competitive matchups. On one hand fighters at the top level are now earning more than they ever had in prior eras, by virtue of that they now hold more power to negotiate themselves out of fights by demanding more and more in the contract.

A lot of this culminated with ODLH and his relationship with HBO, which served as a real disservice to the sport, it allowed HBO to act as a pseudo-promoter rather than function strictly as a network.

Either way I agree with you...I'd like to see more and more competitive matchups. Take Pavlik as an example, prior to the last few years he would have fought anyone and everyone. He was viewed as the next face of boxing, down to earth and humble/relatable. He gets a few wins under his belt next thing you know, it becomes difficult to make competitive matchups with the guy, why wasn't it difficult before? MONEY and too much control.

I agree with you, however I tend to believe that it is the greed of these egotistical/money hungry promoters that have more control over these issues than the fighters do, but it makes it look like the boxers fault. Although, with all the arguing over how much and who deserves what - most of these fights get killed over negotiations between the promoters... but there are some boxers who think they deserve more than they are worth. GREED and corruption is killing the sport

[switchsouthpaw]

no kidding pavlik is almost mia now.boxing is too geared toward keeping the money rolling in nowadays there are still afew guys that take the hard way up that dont have the backing of the media, margarito before the mosley debacle comes to mind or mosley or williams comes to mind even sergio martinez, these dudes are throwback fighters, by choice or by design but they are.cant wait to see valero vs demarco tonight.

That's why I respect Mosley for taking so many chances that other fighters would never dream of. He didn't have to fight Winky twice or even Vernon twice, where other fighters conveniently avoided both.

It wasn't about the money he was making, it was about him wanting to prove to himself he was the best and yes he lost but he also earned respect in the process, or at least he did from me. I don't look at undefeated records the way a lot of other fans do, that just means to me in most instances you haven't been in with anyone who was able to test you. Boxing when it was at it's apex of popularity was about inspiring people...even when money was involved.

[switchsouthpaw]

I agree with you, however I tend to believe that it is the greed of these egotistical/money hungry promoters that have more control over these issues than the fighters do, but it makes it look like the boxers fault. Although, with all the arguing over how much and who deserves what - most of these fights get killed over negotiations between the promoters... but there are some boxers who think they deserve more than they are worth. GREED and corruption is killing the sport

There is some truth to your statements. But really examine the impact that HBO has had on boxing overall and I think you'll agree it's been negative.

Golden Boy and Top Rank hold most of the HBO dates, freezing out other talented fighters and mid-level promoters. It limits the exposure and depth of boxing. HBO is concerned with attracting the "casual fan". They aren't concerned about us. They see us as a limited audience. They want to expand their subscription base.

Guys like Mayweather in conjunction with HBO are engaged in a relationship that is detrimental to the sport's long-term health, same as when Oscar was active. Mayweather is a log-jam at welterweight because he calls all the shots and HBO gives him the dates to do it. Mayweather won't fight another tough welterweight unless it makes financial sense, which is okay but a millionaire is still a millionaire right? You will always hear him say "if it doesn't make business sense", then he won't do it. It's tough to relate to someone who thinks like that, at least it is for me, don't know about you guys. It's certainly not inspiring although I guess I can understand it to some degree.