Fighter of the Decade????

[Ray*]

I'm going to pretend you're serious for a split second and break down the whole decade.

2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF

2001: Floyd's best year IMO; Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF

2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo (I had him losing by a point) but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF

2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac

2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, dropping him three times to open a classic along with a ho-hum follow up; Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. Edge = Pac

2005: Floyd fights three guys with no chance of winning in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell in the most disappointing year of his career opposition wise, but at least wins a belt off Gatti; Manny moves to 30, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and barely lost an ATG fight with Barrera, in a great fight and adds a win along the lines of Floyd's. Edge = Push (Losing a great fight to a great fighter is at least equal to winning three gimmes.)

2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. The former Olympian Raheem > Baldo; Judah isn't man enough to carry Morales's jock. Morales and Larios, even with wear, were still better fighters than Baldo and drilling Morales into the floor twice is impressive when no one else could ever do it. Edge = Pac

2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ. Edge = Floyd

2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating a beltholding fringe contender in Diaz at Lightweight and an Oscar whose just done. Still, edge Pac.

2009: Floyd comes back, misses weight, and beats a Marquez who has no business at Welter but is still the reigning Lightweight champ and an acceptable comeback foe; Pac beats Hatton to become the first in history to win four lineal titles and then forces a catch to win a title claim in his seventh division overall against Cotto. Big edge Pac.

So there's not a huge gap and in weighing the decade, Floyd gave it away more than anything in the last two years. If you're "scoring" the ten years, Pac wins 5-4-1. In terms of big wins, they're not that far apart but Pac did things which have never been done before in terms of titles and that's a big aid.

Great post and green K, I like the breakdown and effort towards it, I wish pac fans can do the same instead of giving you a everytime you have something to say that doesnt favour Pac, But i disagree with you on the 2006 breakdown because NO matter how people try to twist it Mayweather fought the Former Man at 147 and the man at 147 in Judah and Baldomir and that goes over what Pac did in 2006..

[gqjohnb]

The DLH win wasn't better than Morales II. DLH-Mayweather was a pedestrian outing from Floyd, a fundamentally sound, no risks performance. Pacquiao-Morales II sometimes gets overlooked but was a good fight. Morales wasn't shot; he was competing and in the fight until Manny found his right and a body attack and beat it out of Terible. It wasn't just that he beat him; he stopped a guy whose will was as awesome as any fighter I've ever seen.

I still feel DLH at 154 was better seeing as though all the cards were in DLH's favor, floyd didn't even come close to 154(he was 149 on fight night) while DLH was more than likely well over 160, and although one of the scorecards disagree with me he won definitively. Yeah it was a play it safe type of fight but it was also against the champ coming off a KO victory in a division floyd really didn't belong in weight wise. With those things considered it was a better victory IMO even when you factor in Oscar being a part time fighter.

[PAC-BOY]

PACQUIAO
Arnel Barotillo 22-9-3/ 3/4/00
Seung-Kon Chae 23-0/ 6/28/00
Nedal Hussein 19-0/ 10/14/00
Tetsutora Senrima 19-4-3/ 2/24/01
Wethya Sakmuangklang 41-3/ 4/28/01
Lehlohononlo Ledwaba 33-1-1/ 6/23/01
Agapito Sanchez 31-9-2/ 11-10-01 DRAW
Jorge Julio 44-3/ 6/8/02
Fahprakorb Rakkiatgym 37-2/ 10/26/02
Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov 17-5-1/ 3/15/03
Emmanuel Lucero 21-0-1/ 7/26/03
MAB 57-3/ 11-15-03
Jmm 42-2/ 5/8/04 DRAW
Fahsan battery 44-7-1 12/11/04
Erik Morales 47-2 3/19/05 lost
Hector Velazquez 42-10-2/ 9/10/05
Erik Morales 48-3/ 1/21/06
Oscar larios 56-4-1/ 7/2/06
Erik Morlaes 48-4/ 11-18-06
Jorge Solis 33-0-2/ 4/14/07
MAB 63-5/ 10/6/07
JMM 48-3-1/ 3/15/08
David Diaz 34-1-1/ 6/28/08
Oscar De La Hoya 39-5/ 12/6/08
Ricky Hatton 45-1/ 5/2/09
Miguel Cotto 34-1/ 11/14/09




who the hell is these people in Italics? From 2000 -2003, he fought nobody. And in between 2003 -2007, he had some garbage fights and this is our Fighter of the Decade?

[crold1]

Great post and green K, I like the breakdown and effort towards it, I wish pac fans can do the same instead of giving you a everytime you have something to say that doesnt favour Pac, But i disagree with you on the 2006 breakdown because NO matter how people try to twist it Mayweather fought the Former Man at 147 and the man at 147 in Judah and Baldomir and that goes over what Pac did in 2006..

How? Take the titles out and look harder. Morales was coming off a loss and so was Judah. Judah was almost stopped by a Baldomir who rates as one of the worst Welter champs ever. Morales lost an ugly fight to an ugly style. Morales is about ten times the fighter Judah is on any day. Morales and Larios were still flat out better fighters than Baldomir at that point. 2006 was a slam dunk year for Manny and got voted that way across the board for a reason. Floyd wasn't even the first runner-up.

[hugh grant]

so floyd beating a champion in oscar is not better win than pacquiao beating morales after a lost to raheem?

But the fact that you try over look is that Pac smashed DLH to pieces. You cant ignore things like these. ANd he smashed hatton at 140. And Pac has been a champ since most his adult life as well. Its just he escaped the radar a bit because he was fighting in asia.

All things are considered. Pac is the fighter of the decade and there is nothing anyone can do about it. PBF had a chance to do something but chose not to.
He retired for 2 years, not fighting anyone and that isnt going to help anyone is it? It only helped PBF in not having a shout in being claimed the fighter of the decade.

[Allucard]

Floyd mayweather Jr

Gregorio vargas 40-6-1/ 3/18/00
Emanuel Augustus 22-16-4/ 10/21/00
Diego corrales 33-0/ 1/20/01
Carlos Hernandez 33-2-1/ 5/26/01
Jesus Chavez 35-1/ 11/10/01
Jose Castillo 45-4-1/ 4/20/02
Jose Castillo 46-5-1/ 12/7/02
Victoriano Sosa 35-2-2/ 4/19/03
Phillip N’dou 31-1/ 11/1/03
Demarcus Corley 28-2-1/ 5/22/04
Henry Bruseles 21-2-1/ 1/22/05
Arturo Gatti 39-6/ 6/25/05
Sharmba Mitchell 56-4/ 11/19/05
Zab Judah 34-3/ 4/8/06
Carlos baldomir 43-9-6/ 11/4/06
Oscar De la Hoya 38-4/ 5/5/07
Ricky Hatton 43-0/ 12/8/07
JMM 50-4-1/ 9/19/09



Floyd fought champions throughout the whole decade: Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, baldomir, De la Hoya, hatton, and JMM. all champions who got beat by Floyd.


manny took 3 yrs off and gaps in between....how is he the fighter of the decade?

Simple answer: Pacquiao isn't the fighter of the decade. He never was too.

[gqjohnb]

Great post and green K, I like the breakdown and effort towards it, I wish pac fans can do the same instead of giving you a everytime you have something to say that doesnt favour Pac, But i disagree with you on the 2006 breakdown because NO matter how people try to twist it Mayweather fought the Former Man at 147 and the man at 147 in Judah and Baldomir and that goes over what Pac did in 2006..

I thought the breakdown was great as well but I felt floyd got the edge in 2005 and 2006. For 2005 i don't give guys credit for losing unless its a really close/controversial loss and the opponent is great and I don't think that morales was as game as presented as noted by his clear loss against raheem afterwards. Even with floyds fights being gimmies there was still one championship belt that was won and I don't give the edge on principle because he tried to win and then won a vacant title.

[hugh grant]

Simple answer: Pacquiao isn't the fighter of the decade. He never was too.

He is the fighter of the decade. It was announced a while ago. He may not be your fighter of the decade, but that isnt saying much is it?

[Left Banned Tua]

How? Take the titles out and look harder. Morales was coming off a loss and so was Judah. Judah was almost stopped by a Baldomir who rates as one of the worst Welter champs ever. Morales lost an ugly fight to an ugly style. Morales is about ten times the fighter Judah is on any day. Morales and Larios were still flat out better fighters than Baldomir at that point. 2006 was a slam dunk year for Manny and got voted that way across the board for a reason. Floyd wasn't even the first runner-up.

don't forget it was morales 1st time at 135 too. not an excuse but still.

[The_Demon]

nobody comes close to pacquioa

you are clearly upset about this,but im afraid its the truth