Comments Thread For: A Look at The Heavyweight Division in 2010

[Dave Rado]

In all fairness to the article six of the ten heavyweights in the top ten on the list are not Americans and two out of the four honorable mentions are also not American. So, how can it be that the writer can't see past the US borders? And many of the fighters you mentioned have three to five fights so who's radar should they be on? After all there are no American's on the list with so few fights so your not being very fair to the writer of the article.

Exactly - some of the names on Carnivore's list are simply ridiculous. Some of them may possibly turn out to be good fighters a few years down the road, but it's far too early to tell; and some clearly never will be any good (in world terms).

[joe strong]

The article mentions Shannon Briggs, who hasn't won a fight since 2006, but fails to mention the European heavyweights who are fresh new new faces in the division:

Kubrat Pulev
Francesco Pianeta
Robert Helenius
David Price
Manuel Charr
Andrzej Wawrzyk
Sam Sexton
Vyacheslav Glazkov
Ondrej Pala

There's lots of good young heavyweights in Europe! But some American writers can't see past the US borders.

iagree the names you listed are up & comers but realistically helenius is the only name people can take seriously yet because of his brewster win.all the rest are unproven.pianeta & sexton are knocking on the door though & as for the American writers comment...chagaev,haye,adamek,valuev,klitschkos,bo ytsov,dimitrenko are all listed & are Europeans so I don't know what you are complaining about.chagaev is the most overrated of the lot.he should have lost to carl drumond & then got killed by wlad.he beat ruiz in a controversial decision...all those guys have really done jack **** other than helenius.

[ChopperRead]

2010: Year of the Tua.

This year David Tua will make an assault on the heavyweight division and by the end of it will be in a position to challenge for a world title.
I cant see him defeating Wladimir Klitschko anytime soon but the other two belts are for the taking. David Haye has nothing on Tua but movement. He wouldnt get away with what he did to Valuev, Tua is too smart and fast for that. Vitali is getting on a bit, i dont see him making any defenses after 2010 so who knows who'll have the belt by then.

Vitali has utterly annhilated everyone since his comeback, so I think he can fight as long as he feels like it. If Kevin Johnson would have actually tried to fight instead of landing a record low 5 power punches all night, he would have been knocked out. As for Tua, let's hope he doesn't get sidetracked again, as he's running out of time.

[ChopperRead]

It really sucks that the top 2 heavyweights are brothers. We can never see them fight.

Doesn't suck for them.

[al22tec]

out with the old, in with the new. but who are these people? not until these heavyweights start winning in sensational fashion, people will look at the lower divisions and shun the heavyweights. Enough with this decision wins. You are heavyweights, and should punch like hell and knockout the opponents, not like ******* and win via decision only or a knockout that doesnt get a good wow from the crowd.

[ShoulderRoll]

The article mentions Shannon Briggs, who hasn't won a fight since 2006, but fails to mention the European heavyweights who are fresh new new faces in the division:

Kubrat Pulev
Francesco Pianeta
Robert Helenius
David Price
Manuel Charr
Andrzej Wawrzyk
Sam Sexton
Vyacheslav Glazkov
Ondrej Pala

There's lots of good young heavyweights in Europe! But some American writers can't see past the US borders.

You're crazy if you think any of those guys deserve mention in a top 10 list of heavyweights.

And this American writer that you want to criticize put 7 non-Americans in his top 10. What more do you want? He's being objective unlike you who apparently wants this list to be all Euros.

[Dave Rado]

You're crazy if you think any of those guys deserve mention in a top 10 list of heavyweights.

Carnivore did not say any of those fighters should be in the top 10. He said that the article mentions Shannon Briggs (although it doesn't rate Briggs), while not mentioning any of the prospects that Carnivore thought were worth mentioning in the context of an article about the state of the division. I disagree with Carnivore in that I think most of them were not worth mentioning, but you're completely misrepresenting his post - he didn't say any of them should be ranked in the top 10.

[ShoulderRoll]

He mentioned Briggs in the context of old faces returning. Right along with another non-American in David Tua.

And you pretty much make my point for me, the guys on that list aren't really deserving of mention in this article.

So Carnivore is completely off base in insinuating some bias by the American writer.

[Dave Rado]

He mentioned Briggs in the context of old faces returning. Right along with another non-American in David Tua.

And you pretty much make my point for me, the guys on that list aren't really deserving of mention in this article.

So Carnivore is completely off base in insinuating some bias by the American writer.

I agree, I was just pointing out that Carnivore didn't say any of those guys were top 10, which you had claimed.

[Khmelnytsky]

The article mentions Shannon Briggs, who hasn't won a fight since 2006, but fails to mention the European heavyweights who are fresh new new faces in the division:

Kubrat Pulev
Francesco Pianeta
Robert Helenius
David Price
Manuel Charr
Andrzej Wawrzyk
Sam Sexton
Vyacheslav Glazkov
Ondrej Pala


There's lots of good young heavyweights in Europe! But some American writers can't see past the US borders.

This

In all fairness to the article six of the ten heavyweights in the top ten on the list are not Americans and two out of the four honorable mentions are also not American. So, how can it be that the writer can't see past the US borders? And many of the fighters you mentioned have three to five fights so who's radar should they be on? After all there are no American's on the list with so few fights so your not being very fair to the writer of the article.

Pulev and Helenius have accomplished more than Briggs or Ruiz have in the last several years. And in terms of how the division is going to shape up they'd be far more critical to mention than 38 yr old Ruiz or 5 punch output per round briggs

Carnivore did not say any of those fighters should be in the top 10. He said that the article mentions Shannon Briggs (although it doesn't rate Briggs), while not mentioning any of the prospects that Carnivore thought were worth mentioning in the context of an article about the state of the division. I disagree with Carnivore in that I think most of them were not worth mentioning, but you're completely misrepresenting his post - he didn't say any of them should be ranked in the top 10.

good post