Who do you blame for the Mayweather-Pacquiao fallout?

[BritishBoxing92]

i kind of blame em both....floyd kept on going on about blood test....and pacs trainer roach denied a 14 day period of blood testing.....so neutral really

[The Gambler1981]

Also like I said I don't hold Floyd blameless, how the situation got played out in the media Floyd's team certainly deserves blame and as the head of his team Floyd certianly deserves whatever blame lays at his teams feet. For the testing issue I do not fault Floyd for asking for it, Manny should have just taken them and made this a non issue pride and hubris have brought down much greater men then Manny~

[MaD RoBoT]

It has nothing to do with cleaning up the sport, it has to do with what he thinks about this specific fight. If he think Manny is not right for any reason he has the right to ask, he is the one getting in the ring so he above any other has the right to know.

Floyd says a bunch of garbage so why would I care about one statement when FLoyd was clearly pissed and talking out of his ass, a statement that is not even definitive. Maybe he truly believe the Phillipines has the best bio-tech industry, the Phillipines should take that as a compliment that he thinks they are so advanced.

Think whatever you want but you are reaching pulling out all kinds of stuff that really does not matter, Manny should have taken the tests then none of this would have happeaned. If you can not see that whatever my points have been made you refuse to accept them.

look man i do see your point

sometimes when i do think about it, i really wished that manny should've just taken these damn tests

but on the other hand, i cannot blame Manny because its his right to deny these tests because he knew it's Floyds tactic to bully him on the negotiations

in fact, he suggested he would compesate in order for the fight to push thru

it would be the NSACs that willl decide whwther to implement this random test

but Floyd declined & still insist his own demand

[tesla_power]

Both.
Pac
-- for not undergoing the test because of his pride
Pbf
-- for assuming pac's performance is drug induced

I understand both of their reasons but it was blown way out of proportion because of the magnitude of the fight. In the end, their reasons contradicted with their statements. Both lost.

I try to simplify it this way. Pbf made a demand/request(whatever your preference is). Pac denied. Both did not reach a compromise. It always takes two to tango.

[The Gambler1981]

So you wish to impose your personal view of the world on others?.....

Yes, that is the tyrannical approach.

Your delusion that the world is harsh and cold is merely an opinion for which you have no evidence.

Ahh... But as long as you are sitting comfortably, damn the rest!

Your utilitarian approach to the world is naive. If you feel it is necessary to sacrifice some for the commonwealth of the rest, then why don't you offer up yourself as the sacrifice?

Or is it only convenient to say that when you are not being put under the magnifying glass?

No, until you see that an affront to one, is merely just a door waiting to be opened for the same to eventually happen to you, then you will continue to live under bitter su****ion.

As for PED's, we have boxing commissions to dictate the rules of drug testing.

A fighter's duty is to fight and put on a good show for the fans.

If the fighter has a complaint about the testing procedures then he should take it up with the commission that oversees the drug testing.

That is the proper way of making real change happen.

The man on the other side of the ring has every right to know the man accross from him is clean by the best means, the NSAC testing is inferior. Commisions in boxing are weak as they go state by state Nevada is the best but they are not that great that they are above reproach.

There is a thing called advancement in this world and someone has to be bold enough to make that come about.

In the real world you have to do things you do not like sometimes for the good of the many. Your view of the world is naive, I wish the world was as simple as you make it out to be and that people would live like that without looking to take advantage of situations and weakness, but sadly the real world that we live in is not like that. We should strive to be better and do the right things for all people but sometimes you have to make hard choices and do things that are not righteous and good for everyone but that should try to be limited and wrong should be righted if they are made. Whatever though this is a boxing forum not a world view forum and I have no intention of contueing to debate and justify my world view to some dude over the internet, think about what you jsut said and apply it to our conversation.

[The Gambler1981]

look man i do see your point

sometimes when i do think about it, i really wished that manny should've just taken these damn tests

but on the other hand, i cannot blame Manny because its his right to deny these tests because he knew it's Floyds tactic to bully him on the negotiations

in fact, he suggested he would compesate in order for the fight to push thru

it would be the NSACs that willl decide whwther to implement this random test

but Floyd declined & still insist his own demand

The NSAC is for all boxers and is a government agency it takes a lot of time for them to weight costs, benefits and whatnot the fight was suppose to be march 13th that is way to fast for them to do anything so asking for them to decide is a cop out because they have a lot more to think about then just one fight. The contract for this fight has to do with this one fight so it is much easier to just put it into the contract.

Manny is in his right to refuse and do whatever, but refusing more stringent testing in this day and age brings about the questions and attitude I am showing. It is a no win battle, and it was a terrible fight to pick since it is unwinnable.

[The Gambler1981]

Both.
Pac
-- for not undergoing the test because of his pride
Pbf
-- for assuming pac's performance is drug induced

I understand both of their reasons but it was blown way out of proportion because of the magnitude of the fight. In the end, their reasons contradicted with their statements. Both lost.

I try to simplify it this way. Pbf made a demand/request(whatever your preference is). Pac denied. Both did not reach a compromise. It always takes two to tango.

Indeed, I agree with that.

[ThePunchingBag]

The man on the other side of the ring has every right to know the man accross from him is clean by the best means, the NSAC testing is inferior. Commisions in boxing are weak as they go state by state Nevada is the best but they are not that great that they are above reproach.

There is a thing called advancement in this world and someone has to be bold enough to make that come about.

In the real world you have to do things you do not like sometimes for the good of the many. Your view of the world is naive, I wish the world was as simple as you make it out to be and that people would live like that without looking to take advantage of situations and weakness, but sadly the real world that we live in is not like that. We should strive to be better and do the right things for all people but sometimes you have to make hard choices and do things that are not righteous and good for everyone but that should try to be limited and wrong should be righted if they are made. Whatever though this is a boxing forum not a world view forum and I have no intention of contueing to debate and justify my world view to some dude over the internet, think about what you jsut said and apply it to our conversation.

Although we are philosophically in dispute, I respect your input.

However, what grinds my gears is when people are forced to do things because of someone elses personal view of the world.

Mayweather thinks everyone is on steroids, Pacquiao believes that the majority of boxers are clean, including Mayweather.

Should Pacquiao be inconvenienced simply because Mayweather's view of the world is different?

No.

They both have the right to believe what they want as long as one of them is not forced to bow down to the other.

Personally, I think they're both at fault, one way or another.

That's my take.

[The Gambler1981]

If you want to complain about Floyd's blame talk about how he handled the situation because that is what his side truly did wrong, they are the ones taht took this public and that is when it all went to this.

Not him asking for the tests.

[The Gambler1981]

Although we are philosophically in dispute, I respect your input.

However, what grinds my gears is when people are forced to do things because of someone elses personal view of the world.

Mayweather thinks everyone is on steroids, Pacquiao believes that the majority of boxers are clean, including Mayweather.

Should Pacquiao be inconvenienced simply because Mayweather's view of the world is different?

No.

They both have the right to believe what they want as long as one of them is not forced to bow down to the other.

Personally, I think they're both at fault, one way or another.

That's my take.

It should not be like that though, thinking you are being forced to cave in is letting pride control you, sometimes you just have to do things you do not like nor wish to do.

Asking for the testing is not wrong in this day and age of sport especially the sport of boxing which is amongst the most dangerous, how the situation got played out is wrong. Which is why I would say both sides share blame atleast to some degree.