The Old Fighters are done

[Neuraxis]

Well HBO's two highest rated boxing programs in 2003 were Lewis v. Klitschko and Klitschko v. Johnson. I also remember MSG and Staples Center being pretty full for his last 2 fights.

[vB Martin]

Actually, I work out at a boxing gym. I'm sort of a moving punching bag. I know my limits, though, and I know I'm not good enough to compete on a world level.

Also, I don't drink, and almost all my friends are in their mid-20s.

What, exactly, is your sports resume? Can I see your ring record somewhere online?

[NichtGeflechten]

and this relates to a rotator cuff injury how, exactly?

It relates by the simple fact that in an orthodox fighter the left hand is the first parrying line of defense! He injured his left shoulder. His arm was reflexively flailing at Byrd's punches furthering the severity of the injury. This isn't Chinese arithmetic what the **** is the problem here?

[vB Martin]

All he had to do was protect himself for 3 rounds. If he had heart and skills, he could have done easily one-handed. Switch to southpaw and try to use that thunderous right as a jab for 9 minutes, move, do something, don't just quit.

Vitali is starting to get older. Even back then his time to shine was limited. Sure, he's the recognized World Champion right now, but who is going to remember who he is 20 years from now? If he had gone on and finished a fight he was WINNING, found the desire in his heart to be a great champion rather than a belt-holder, how might history have changed in his favor? How might he be remembered in history? How much sooner would his fight with Lewis come? How much more highly regarded would he be?
Yes, there is a chance that he could have been injured worse, but there is just a great a chance that he would have recovered just as well and possibly become legend. He blew that. I don't see how you don't understand my point. Want to just butt heads and call it a draw?

[vB Martin]

Well HBO's two highest rated boxing programs in 2003 were Lewis v. Klitschko and Klitschko v. Johnson. I also remember MSG and Staples Center being pretty full for his last 2 fights.

Lewis was the draw in the first fight, and LA always sells out heavyweight fights.

Fights in MSG generally sell out, too, now that it's a venue again. When Johnson walked into the ring that night, the first thought to hit my mind was, "holy ****! it's the Pillsbury Homeboy!"
Johnson, at that time, was considered to be a heavy prospect in the division, so he brought his own part of the draw to that fight, too.

[NichtGeflechten]

I think you are confusing the fantasy league world with reality.

[vB Martin]

I think you are confusing the fantasy league world with reality.

that's the best you can come up with?

the normal route for debate is to counter an argument with your own facts/opinions, unless you have no counter.

while I understand that my first post to you could have been seen as insulting, it was not my intent and I apologized. You have continued to insult, question who and what I am, without offering anything to lend weight to your opinion in this argument.
You questioned my background, I answered. You insulted.
I questioned yours, you had no answer, you insulted.

It's quite obvious that we have different opinions, while I try to support mine with both facts and further opinions, you have no answers but childish insults.
I have said, quite clearly, that I understand your opinion, I just don't share it.
Unless you can do more than insult, I see no point in carrying on this discussion with you.

[NichtGeflechten]

Are you sure that you are not on a handicapped intramural debating team? Here are the facts: He had an injury. He withdrew from a fight. He had surgery. He had rehabilitation. He is now the champion. Although the injury he suffered has ended hundreds of successful professional careers you would rather parse words and dollop out very unclever sophistry to cloud the issue into some type of mythical gestalten narrative more indicative of the Aeneid . Now who is dealing with facts and who is dealing in bull****?

[Yarmez]

that's the best you can come up with?

the normal route for debate is to counter an argument with your own facts/opinions, unless you have no counter.

while I understand that my first post to you could have been seen as insulting, it was not my intent and I apologized. You have continued to insult, question who and what I am, without offering anything to lend weight to your opinion in this argument.
You questioned my background, I answered. You insulted.
I questioned yours, you had no answer, you insulted.

It's quite obvious that we have different opinions, while I try to support mine with both facts and further opinions, you have no answers but childish insults.
I have said, quite clearly, that I understand your opinion, I just don't share it.
Unless you can do more than insult, I see no point in carrying on this discussion with you.

VB, Don't worry, it's the way Nickle****, deals with his childhood, which is full of child ******ation, dead mothers, and sexual fantasies about Vitalia Klitcshko.

As traceylee says Nig****in, is a jackass, who has nothing better to do then pick on Spelling Mistakes.
If only the world was as cool as him.

Don't worry about him, he's a ****ing Jackass Pinhead.

[NichtGeflechten]

Random capitalization has begun......resistance is futile.