[MUST READ] New Interview:Chief Executive of USADA, Explains Roids and Testing

[Siggy]

First of all, all tests done by the NSAC for boxing are scheduled--unless you think being told that you will be tested in two days is "random.". Secondly, boxing does not have "unanounced tests." Finally, there are many PEDs that can be flushed out with even hours notice. Did you even read the article I sent you? How about the interview the TS was so nice as to provide? Apparently not or you wouldn't go on with your misguided theories.

yes. there are no details that provide specific instances of an athlete being able to naturally rid their bodies of PEDs naturally.
all i see is can they mask this, can they mask that.
you said it yourself "flushed out."
masking agents are tested for.
you cant just expect to piss out weeks, maybe months worth of PED ****tails by just drinking extra water or sweating em out.

how are doctor's just gonna show up unannounced when a fighter's on vacation at an undisclosed location? how do they know when theyre home?
you want fighters to give up their right to privacy to they can be tested "unannounced?"

again, marion jones and tim montgomery beat random, "unannounced" testing.
no testing is fool proof, but at some point you have to factor fighters' rights to privacy and the overall intrusiveness of testing. how much is enough?

[Championart]

Excellent article, i don't see how people can deny that boxing is in dire need of this testing program asap.

[Blue Heffner]

Where are you even going with this angle?

Everyone on this planet, not just fighters, is responsible for their own well-being. Its not Mayweathers job to be the guardian angel of boxing and clean up the sport for all the dumb boxers out there, people need to take responsibility for themselves.

If Migel Cotto wants to blindly enter the ring against roided up monsters and guys with bricks on their hands, thats his problem. Mayweather is not relying on an incompetent commission for his health and safety. He is going to have Olympic style testing for every fight from here on out just like Arthur Abraham. I applaud them both.

Finally someone speaking like a true boxing fan.

[IMDAZED]

yes. there are no details that provide specific instances of an athlete being able to naturally rid their bodies of PEDs naturally.
all i see is can they mask this, can they mask that.
you said it yourself "flushed out."
masking agents are tested for.
you cant just expect to piss out weeks, maybe months worth of PED ****tails by just drinking extra water or sweating em out.

how are doctor's just gonna show up unannounced when a fighter's on vacation at an undisclosed location? how do they know when theyre home?
you want fighters to give up their right to privacy to they can be tested "unannounced?"

again, marion jones and tim montgomery beat random, "unannounced" testing.
no testing is fool proof, but at some point you have to factor fighters' rights to privacy and the overall intrusiveness of testing. how much is enough?

I was tempted to go through all of this and respond paragraph by paragraph but it's Friday and I'm off to drink. However, let me ask you: How do you feel about boxing's current testing system and what changes (if any?) would you make?

[djsygo]

Reading that interview tells me that Pacquiao is telling the truth, he really just thinks taking blood weakens him. Because in truth, 14 days is plenty of time if he was doping. He would have time to mask it, so if he was really doping he would have no problem with taking the 14 day test, so he isnt doping, he just didnt want Floyd telling him what to do and he didnt want blood taken that close to fight night.

it tells me right the other way around ...just think he would have less time to train on the drugs...only 14 days of window instead of 26, in wich maybe he knows he can peak or be near THAT condition. And then again what would be different if he had nothing to hide?

[HighUnderground]

No-one is spinning this article into something positive for Pacquiao---I just find it interesting that haters want to use it to prove a point about Pacquiao roiding---which is hilarious if you a look at the interview.

and it's great testing is improving.

I disagree.

Clearly some people in this thread are attempting to spin this to make it look like the cutoff date was not a big deal and that Manny was justified in declining the tests and walking away from the fight. Which is bulls**t.

Yeah, there are haters who are gonna say Manny is on roids, just like there are Floyd haters who talk trash all day long. However, Pacquiao could easily quell all that nonsense and shut everybody up by just taking the test. On the other hand, Floyd could beat every top welterweight in the world, save Darfur, cure AIDS, and swim across the ocean and there would still be 100 threads on NSB saying F**K Floyd. It's almost as if people enjoy hating Mayweather more than they enjoy liking Pacquiao.

Personally, I like both guys and just wanna see the fight, I just think Manny was wrong on this one. I don't think he is a cheater, at least I hope not, I just think he has acted terrible about this whole thing and that's why this has been blown up to this point. **** all that bulls**t about his pride and not being "bullied" by Floyd. This is about boxing, and doing the right thing for the sport and it's fans. He should have taken the test, fought Floyd, and cashed his 40 million dollar check. You can be mad at Floyd for asking for the tests if you want to, but the bottom line is that he has the right to do that and it is a rather simple request.

[Modobo3]

I disagree.

Clearly some people in this thread are attempting to spin this to make it look like the cutoff date was not a big deal and that Manny was justified in declining the tests and walking away from the fight. Which is bulls**t.

Yeah, there are haters who are gonna say Manny is on roids, just like there are Floyd haters who talk trash all day long. However, Pacquiao could easily quell all that nonsense and shut everybody up by just taking the test. On the other hand, Floyd could beat every top welterweight in the world, save Darfur, cure AIDS, and swim across the ocean and there would still be 100 threads on NSB saying F**K Floyd. It's almost as if people enjoy hating Mayweather more than they enjoy liking Pacquiao.

Personally, I like both guys and just wanna see the fight, I just think Manny was wrong on this one. I don't think he is a cheater, at least I hope not, I just think he has acted terrible about this whole thing and that's why this has been blown up to this point. **** all that bulls**t about his pride and not being "bullied" by Floyd. This is about boxing, and doing the right thing for the sport and it's fans. He should have taken the test, fought Floyd, and cashed his 40 million dollar check. You can be mad at Floyd for asking for the tests if you want to, but the bottom line is that he has the right to do that and it is a rather simple request.

Great Post!!!

No hate towards Pac...Just another fair observation from a boxing fan who just wanted to see the fight.

[rao007]

I disagree.

Clearly some people in this thread are attempting to spin this to make it look like the cutoff date was not a big deal and that Manny was justified in declining the tests and walking away from the fight. Which is bulls**t.

Yeah, there are haters who are gonna say Manny is on roids, just like there are Floyd haters who talk trash all day long. However, Pacquiao could easily quell all that nonsense and shut everybody up by just taking the test. On the other hand, Floyd could beat every top welterweight in the world, save Darfur, cure AIDS, and swim across the ocean and there would still be 100 threads on NSB saying F**K Floyd. It's almost as if people enjoy hating Mayweather more than they enjoy liking Pacquiao.

Personally, I like both guys and just wanna see the fight, I just think Manny was wrong on this one. I don't think he is a cheater, at least I hope not, I just think he has acted terrible about this whole thing and that's why this has been blown up to this point. **** all that bulls**t about his pride and not being "bullied" by Floyd. This is about boxing, and doing the right thing for the sport and it's fans. He should have taken the test, fought Floyd, and cashed his 40 million dollar check. You can be mad at Floyd for asking for the tests if you want to, but the bottom line is that he has the right to do that and it is a rather simple request.

That's always been the case with Floyd. Honestly, if it wasn't for his talk--he wouldn't be where he's at.

I agree, you make some good points but you also have to consider Pacquiao's reasons---while albeit weak from a nuetral point of view-- is important to him, so there should be some give and take from both sides of the negotiations.

[Tsukiyomi]

That's because you're taking Tygert's quote out of context.

He was asking which testing protocol would have been implemented before the 14 day or 24 day cut-off period -- the NSAC's or CSAC's?

He stated if that was the case (either agency's protocol being used), then he's not so much concerned about those cut-off periods as he is about the two months prior to that.

That's what I read into it, unless you need him to further clarify what he said.

I am not taking it out of context. Here is the question preceding that answer:

"Q: One other thing I wanted to touch base with you on -- when the Mayweather-Pacquiao discussions finally fell apart at the beginning of the month, it came down to a 10-day differential; Mayweather bent to 'I'll agree to 14 days prior to the event when there will be no blood testing,' and Pacquiao wouldn't go later than 24 days. Even if Mayweather had yielded to 24 days, what can an athlete do in 24 days? I mean, if you're clean 24 days before the fight, what can you do in the next 24 days that would have any impact on the fight whatsoever?"

His answer is based off that. He implies that the issue is mainly if the testing prior to that period are up to standard, which he claims NSAC and CSAC are not.

"The 14-day period, I'm a lot less concerned about that than what you're doing in the two months before that 14-day period."

That quote clarifies any confusion between how we understand his words. Very clear and concise.

I'm not sure where they were in mediation regarding the testing prior to cutoff, but this casts doubt on the 24 or 14 day cutoff being the real issue.

[HighUnderground]

That's always been the case with Floyd. Honestly, if it wasn't for his talk--he wouldn't be where he's at.

I agree, you make some good points but you also have to consider Pacquiao's reasons---while albeit weak from a nuetral point of view-- is important to him, so there should be some give and take from both sides of the negotiations.

No doubt. Floyd's character has definitely fueled people love and hate for him.

However, there was a lot of give and take in the negotiations. Floyd made a lot of concessions for Manny, and his request for extra testing should not have been a big deal. It had nothing to do with money, ring size, glove size, weight limit, or any of that stuff. It was a simple request, and Manny (and his hardcore fans) blew it way out of proportion.

Honestly, I'm not sure Arum wanted the fight to happen. He seemed to be hovering over this whole thing like a black cloud just waiting to pull the plug and constantly saying the fight is dead. That's just my opinion.