Dropping weight. Jones, Hatton and Tarver. Coincidence?

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  • djtmal
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    #71
    [QUOTE=ИATAS206;7310774]You still haven't figured out to quote properly? Are you really that ******ed? You've only been posting on message boards for 6+ years...

    i'll chop your garbage up the way i feel like it



    Everyone he fuucking fought at 160 was equal in size besides Oscar and Tito, those are the only two guys that came from smaller weight classes (even though they both had previous fights at 160).

    @ 160, he was a natural lightheavy who beat up on middles, jr. welters, and welters moving up...as a lightheavy, he was beating up on blown up middles...

    Yeah because he grossly outsizes tarver and glen johnson right? Oh it was a huge conspiracy against Tarver - Bhop paid of Rocky to hire him as the villain and to get him fat, then lose the weight. ALL PART OF BHOPS MASTER PLAN!!! I'm sure he planned that for YEARS.


    please man everybody makes a big deal about hopkins beating glen johnson...glen johnson hadn't fought anyone of hopkins caliber back then, and hopkins again gets credit for picking the right time to challenge and beat tarver, albeit tarver did just finish doing a flick with stallone...


    And then you say of equal talent. He beat everyone, no one was as equally as talented as him besides probably Roy Jones. By the time he started losing he was 40 years old against taylor and 43 against Clazaghe. And both of those guys he was the more talented fighter, he lost against both of those guys because the judges didn't like his low output of punches. Even calzaghe stans agree that if hopkins would have thrown more punches in the final rounds he would have/could have won. But again, he's 43 at that point. So your entire post is once again completely ******ed. Thanks for wasting my time.

    he lost to jones in '93, and HE chose to remain at 160, and fight a who's who of bums and little men for the next 10 years in obscurity until some big name, big $ welterweights moved up...that's why he went undefeated truthfully...again, as soon as he fought taylor, an equally sized fighter with some talent, he lost 2x despite the fact that taylor was supposed to be green as grass and no challenge whatsoever...he couldn't run taylor over or intimidate him...excuses galore from hopkins ballickers

    he beats tarver and is the greatest thing since sliced bread @175, then makes a slew of catchweight fights against blown up middleweights, his usual m.o. then he loses to calzaghe, once again, a fighter close to his size with equal talent, and here comes the excuses....he finds another slow plodding, blown up middleweight in pavlik to look good against, and he's the greatest thing since sliced bread again....now @ 43, these fools still rank him #4 p4p?

    on tv he claims he wants to fight the winner of johnson/dawson or adamek, dawson won, adamek moved up to heavy, and hopkins is sending roy jones slave contracts and is still willing to fight him, despite jones being ko'd in the first round...just face it man.....hopkins is a joke and so are you...
    Last edited by djtmal; 01-20-2010, 04:43 PM.

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      #72
      Originally posted by ИATAS206
      Everyone he fuucking fought at 160 was equal in size besides Oscar and Tito, those are the only two guys that came from smaller weight classes (even though they both had previous fights at 160).
      Lol i doubt it but if this was the case who did he fight at MW who was any good and were similar size? Fact is he got beat by good fighters similar size in Jones, Calzaghe, Taylor (HBO hype) and yet he is an ATG??

      If Calzaghe scaled down to MW and beat on Trinidad and Oscar that would make him an atg based on your logic

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        #73
        Originally posted by ИATAS206
        The quote came from when hopkins was 40-41 years old. It was known that the last year or two of his 160 reign was beginning to get difficult for him to make weight. However, djfucktard over here is acting like the quote was from 1991 and hopkins has been struggling to make weight ever since, which simply isn't the case at all. Hopkins regularly came in at 158, 157, 156 pounds. That wouldn't be possible for a guy struggling to make weight so badly.
        I see.

        Yes Hopkins always came in quite light at MW, I was shocked when I checked out his weight on boxrec a few years ago. He is a tall guy and that is mainly the issue for most people. It shouldn't be that much a big deal though.

        Hopkins works hard all year round to be able to make and do what he has done. It's evident now at the age of 44. He's got a trashy mouth that sometimes I don't like, but he also talks a lot of sense in small interviews behind the scenes on boxing.

        He's a damn good boxer.

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          #74
          no doubt weight played factors.

          though for Jones i think it was ****** to drop so many pounds coming from HW.

          i think he should have stayed at cruiser and retired. I know hes had fights at LHW and won but still, i think that was a career changer for him.

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            #75
            wow djtmal, you have an excuse for everything! What's funny is in 2006 you said hopkins fought "solid opposition" during his middleweight reign. Those are your own words. I can send you the link if you don't believe me.

            So what has happened since then? A few years ago hopkins fought "solid opposition" and now you're saying he fought bums? Which one is it...

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              #76
              Originally posted by snootz86
              Lol i doubt it but if this was the case who did he fight at MW who was any good and were similar size?
              Do you know how boxrec works? Go there, look at his record and see that everyone he fought at 160 was a middleweight besides tito & oscar. He beat everyone and anyone they put in front of him. 20 title defenses, unified all the belts for the first time since hagler, etc. Lots of solid names and wins on his resume before he got the stars.

              Fact is he got beat by good fighters similar size in Jones, Calzaghe, Taylor (HBO hype) and yet he is an ATG??
              He was over 40 years old in 3 of those fights and all 3 of those fights were debatable and very close. That alone should speak volumes about the man. And so what if he lost to jones, who in 1993 could have beat Roy Jones???? It's not like Hopkins ever got his ass kicked or dominated. In fact, he hasn't...in his entire career. How many guys do you know of that have fought for 20+ years can say that?? I don't know of ANY.

              If Calzaghe scaled down to MW and beat on Trinidad and Oscar that would make him an atg based on your logic
              Nyet! Calzaghe is an all time great by having his 21 title defense at 168, etc. and his resume. And it wouldn't have hurt calzaghe in anyway if a big named middleweight went up to fight him. Let's say if Bhop moved up in his prime. That would have been an awesome win for Calzaghe.
              Last edited by ИATAS; 01-20-2010, 04:56 PM.

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                #77
                Originally posted by ИATAS206
                Do you know how boxrec works? Go there, look at his record and see that everyone he fought at 160 was a middleweight besides tito & oscar. He beat everyone and anyone they put in front of him. 20 title defenses, unified all the belts for the first time since hagler, etc. Lots of solid names and wins on his resume before he got the stars.
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                Solid names at best.. lets face it who was at MW in Bhops reign? now thats not his fault, but yet he is great and Calzaghe is a bum? simply due to the opponents in his weight div at the time?

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by snootz86
                  Solid names at best.. lets face it who was at MW in Bhops reign? now thats not his fault, but yet he is great and Calzaghe is a bum? simply due to the opponents in his weight div at the time?
                  Stop. Go back. I said calzaghe is an all time great, so I don't know where you got the bum part.

                  Hopkins resume clearly is better though, imo, but that's besides the point. Hopkins & Calzaghe both are greats.

                  Also, there is a thing of perspective. For boxrec junkies, they can look at Hopkins resume and be like, who the **** is Segundo Mercado? But at the time that was a great win for bernard. Same for Calzaghe. Jeff Lacy hasn't done **** in his career, but at the time that was Joe's biggest win. People tend to forget that or simply are ignorant cuz they weren't old enough or weren't watching the sport at those times... Antwun Echols, Glen Johnson, lots of guys like that on bhops resume, in fact, the ring mag a few issues ago showed that bhop had more champions on his resume than any active fighter in the game (pacquiao & floyd were the next best in that category). Further, people need to consider how a man was winning. During that 10 year stretch, hopkins barely lost a round. Not a single fight was competitive since winning the title until he finally lost against taylor.
                  Last edited by ИATAS; 01-20-2010, 06:06 PM.

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                    #79
                    [QUOTE=ИATAS206;7311270]wow djtmal, you have an excuse for everything!

                    lmmfao...naw nasa, you have all the excuses for hopkins overrated career...


                    What's funny is in 2006 you said hopkins fought "solid opposition" during his middleweight reign. Those are your own words. I can send you the link if you don't believe me.

                    damn you on dese nuts that hard? digging up my 2006 quotes? talk about internet stalkers....

                    l
                    So what has happened since then? A few years ago hopkins fought "solid opposition" and now you're saying he fought bums? Which one is it...

                    i've been consistent in my claims that he scaled down from lightheavyweight to middle to feast on weak middles, jr. welters, and welters to pad a bogus 20 title defense record against blown up welters like simon brown, oscar de la hoya and trinidad, part-time firemen like bo james, and 15 fight trilogies against bums like antaun echols and robert allen...

                    i back up my claim with the fact that he stated in ring magazine that he pretty much scaled down and maintained the weight for years, and has numbnuts like you fooled into thinking its legit...i've provided his statement several times here, and the excuses made by you and the hopkins faithful whenever it is presented here are truly pathetic....

                    everybody who isn't terribly impressed with hopkins echoes my sentiments....every time he loses to equally sized, equally talented opposition, his nutthugging faithful (this is where you make your appearance) make up the most ridiculous of excuses, and can never refute his detractors claims with solid evidence...
                    Last edited by djtmal; 01-20-2010, 09:41 PM.

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by ИATAS206


                      And both of those guys he was the more talented fighter, he lost against both of those guys because the judges didn't like his low output of punches. Even calzaghe stans agree that if hopkins would have thrown more punches in the final rounds he would have/could have won.
                      see this is what i'm talking about with hopkins nuthuggers...the pathetic excuses...he didn't lose because he didn't throw enough punches against calzaghe and taylor...he lost because he got behind on the scorecards landing one punch per round, and didn't want to go toe to toe and pull it out by going for the ko...can't blame a judge for that...hopkins fans always looking to point the finger at judges, hbo, the man, etc. when HE comes up short....just admit he LOST....lol

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